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  Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
vexillia

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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Jeu Mar 13, 2025 8:30 am   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
Something useful from Hervé

https://images.vexillia.me.uk/2025/Screenshot_2025-03-13_08-24-54.png

Hope this helps?

PS Just realised I missed Herve's response. At least you get to see the ...
  Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
vexillia

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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mer Mar 05, 2025 4:18 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
Its actually very clear if you are happy to just accept what Herve says happens does in fact happen.
Care to provide an answer to this:

To test the "two phase" interpretation, what's th ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mer Mar 05, 2025 12:55 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
To test the "two phase" interpretation, what's the accepted way to play this:Spear with missile support contacted by unit with furious charge to front and on a flank by another unit.So spear ...
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vexillia

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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mer Mar 05, 2025 12:48 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
NB: I'd be tempted to call it the contact phase and the outcome phase myself.OK.
  Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mer Mar 05, 2025 11:12 am   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
To test the "two phase" interpretation, what's the accepted way to play this:Spear with missile support contacted by unit with furious charge to front and on a flank by another unit.So spear ...
  Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
vexillia

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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mar Mar 04, 2025 11:09 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
Despite Tim's ice cream related diversions, perhaps fuelled by something stronger, there is some logic here and now it has (finally?) been uncovered it is really quite straightforward. Combat is effe ...
  Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mar Mar 04, 2025 3:36 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
P18 Furious Charge:
This section of the rules only deals with getting an extra cohesion loss if you win the melee. So 'Furious charge does not apply in the following cases' is only referring to the ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mar Mar 04, 2025 1:44 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support

Or is this just a UK 'spanish-practice' that we've all played for years, but there's nothing in the rules that actually support this interpretation Shocked
Surely that should be "french-pract ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Mar Mar 04, 2025 10:52 am   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
This issue is confusing because you have two phases of melee and two end points. The primary effect of furious charge is after the first phase with its ability to inflict an extra CP. However, a prob ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Lun Mar 03, 2025 10:51 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
FFS Martin - stop being such a pendant!
Keep it civil. Rolling Eyes
  Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Lun Mar 03, 2025 10:50 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
To move matters on, as well as return to the initial situation:

Background:
Armour ability does not apply if enemy has Furious charge (p17)
Furious charge of mounted does not apply (not cancelle ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Lun Mar 03, 2025 10:13 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support

It also states - Page 18 - Impetuous, 2nd column bottom right - 1st bullet point:
- The unit gains the Impact ability during the first round of melee (hence why I keep mentioning Impact amongst oth ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Lun Mar 03, 2025 9:57 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
How can it be applied as the statement at the top right of Page 18 clearly states - 'Furious charge does not apply in the following cases:' - it says nothing about whether the unit wins the melee, dra ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Lun Mar 03, 2025 6:49 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
You persist in linking impact and furious charge despite their separation in the rules. Different rules and exceptions apply to both abilities.

As a result there are lots of situations where furiou ...
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MessageForum: Rules question V4   Posté le: Lun Mar 03, 2025 5:02 pm   Sujet: Furious charge, Armour & Missile support
It has been suggested to me, off list, that the use of "does not apply" and "cancelled" is a translation error. So, can someone with access both the French & English versions ...
 
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