Art De La Guerre

[daveallen]

Are the foederati (mounted & on foot) considered to be in the same row for the purpose of dismounting?

Page 21, 2nd paragraph, 3rd bullet point

Les foederati (montés et à pied) sont-ils considérés comme étant dans la même rangée aux fins du démontage?

Page 21, 2ème paragraphe, 3ème puce

Merci,

Dave
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[thierry]

Hi Dave
In the endnote (p142) it says:
"mounted feoderati may dismount as impetuous heavy infantry with 3pts of cohesion and with armour if heavy cavalry"
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[daveallen]

[daveallen]

PS

Also, it does not look like the way the Visigoth list treats Nobles.
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[thierry]

I understand, but here, the dismount of the mounted feoderati is clearly indicated and specified in the notes p142 -> heavy infantry and not medium infantry
No choice.
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[daveallen]

[Brave Coeur]

As I can see in the patrician list, there is a black thin line that splits the mounted from the foot version.
This means 2 boxes.
Hope to be helpful.

Brave coeur
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[daveallen]

That makes sense certainly, but at the same time they are included together in the same row as shown by a single shade* and by the number of units allowed.

* notice how the rows are shaded alternately white and pink(?)

Dave

PS I don't have a Patrician army
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[madaxeman]

The shading alternates simply to help with reading the tables.

 I don’t think it’s part of the syntax of the lists ! 
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[Mike Bennett]

Autoriser les deux ne serait pas une interprétation raisonable. Normalement, ils sont les mêmes gars qui avaient des manières différentes de combattre selon les circonstances. Ce sont des types différents. Et je pourrais faire des patriciens.

Allowing dismounts would be an unreasonable interpretation. Normally they are the same guys who had different ways of fighting depending on circumstances. These are different guys. And I could do patricians.

[Ramses II]

Dave, The foederati (mounted and on foot) in list #88 Patrician Roman are considered to be separate 'rows' as far as dismounting is concerned. The note at the foot of the list re-defines how the mounted foederati dismount, usually impetuous cavalry dismount as spearmen but here they become Impetuous Swordsmen.

Note the "Navarrese and Gascon knights" and the "French knights" in #240 Kingdom of Navarre as two examples of being "in the same row", and hence being able to dismount voluntarily (per the third bullet point of Conditions for dismounting p17)

And to answer the other point, the mounted foederati and foot foederati are a single colour (pink in this case) because the player may only have a total of 4-12 of these foederati units.

[hcaille]

To be consistent will all other "Barbarian" lists, mounted foederati dismount as stated in the notes.
If you take it as foot, they can be Impetuous MI or HI as indicated in the list.

[lionelrus]

[daveallen]