Art De La Guerre

Adrian Steer · Frondeur Inscrit le: 17 Mai 2021 Messages: 2

Rules query help please. If a medium infantry unit is emerging from a wood and has its front edge clear but its rear is still in the wood it obviously is still down for combat but can it ZOC other troops also outside the wood?
Exceptions to ZoC page 38 says:- a unit does not exert a ZOC into or from terrain that penalises it during combat. So if an elements front edge is out of terrain does it exert a ZOC? As this is not been exerted from the terrain.

Dickstick · Post� le: Lun Mai 17, 2021 10:34 pm Sujet du message:

The zoc is into of out of terrain not the unit in or out of terrain
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Ramses II · Post� le: Lun Mai 17, 2021 10:51 pm Sujet du message:

The text is really describing where the ZoC lies, not where the unit is located.

So in the position you present, the MI would exert a ZoC since the ZoC is entirely outside the wood. Were the MI facing the wood from that position, the ZoC would only extend up to the edge of the wood (while the ZoC of LI in the same position would extend into the wood).

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Mars · Barbare Inscrit le: 22 Nov 2020 Messages: 23

Be interested to see what the 'official' answer is to this. Prior to reading the comments here and on the FB Group my thought process would have been, is the unit going to penalised in combat by terrain that it's in (partially or completely)? If yes it does not exert a ZOC.

I can see the argument that it might depend on where it's front is but the rule itself makes no reference to that at all, merely, is the unit penalised in combat by terrain it's in, there's no subtext about where it's front is or how far it's into the terrain.

Dickstick · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 7:42 am Sujet du message:

The bullet point does not require the unit to be in the penalising terrain.
P35 Definition defines where the Zoc is and p38 reduces the area of the Zoc restricted by terrain.
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lionelrus · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 8:36 am Sujet du message:

Dickstick · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 9:22 am Sujet du message:

So how should an English errata be written do you think?
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lionelrus · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 9:44 am Sujet du message:

Dickstick · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 10:23 am Sujet du message:

So perhaps the smallest change might be.

"A unit does not exert a ZOC from terrain that penalises it during combat, or into that terrain."?

Any opinions?
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daveallen · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 1:17 pm Sujet du message:

So:

"A unit even partly in terrain that penalises in combat does not exert a ZoC"

Is that what is being said?

Seems odd to me

Dave
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Dickstick · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 1:27 pm Sujet du message:

daveallen · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 2:03 pm Sujet du message:

"Units do not exert a ZoC into, through or across terrain that penalizes them in combat. Also, if any part of a unit is in such terrain it does not exert a ZoC at all."

Although I think an FAQ rather than an amendment is the way to go on this because it's more in the nature of an interpretation of "from" in this context rather than an error.

Dave
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Adrian Steer · Frondeur Inscrit le: 17 Mai 2021 Messages: 2

Thanks guys most helpful

madaxeman · Post� le: Mar Mai 18, 2021 5:19 pm Sujet du message:

kevinj · Post� le: Mer Mai 19, 2021 2:53 pm Sujet du message:

Maybe a diagram would help here so that translation is less of an an issue.

So, MF 1 and MF 2 are units of Medium Foot patially in a forest, facing in the diredtion of ^.
The red box represents the area 1 UD from their front.

For MF 1 this clearly extends across the terrain so MF 1 would not be able exert a ZoC across it.

Does the same apply to MF 2 as, although, the ZoC does not go though the penalising terrain, the Unit itself is in it?