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Ballista
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Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2018 Messages: 117
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Posté le: Mer Jan 19, 2022 10:12 am Sujet du message: Question on Cavalry/Knights Charging Elephants |
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The scenario is:
A line of X cavalry/camels/knights is faced by a line of Y LI with elephants immediately behind them in the open. The LI/El are within/at 2UD of the cavalry/camels/knights
If the line of X cavalry/camels/knights charges the line of Y LI who must evade do the cavalry/camels/knights have to charge into the EL as they must go at least 2UD ?
Does it make a difference if the cavalry/camels/knights are impetuous or not ?
Does it make a difference if the cavalry/camels/knights are ZOC'd by the El ?
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009 Messages: 4709
Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Mer Jan 19, 2022 11:27 am Sujet du message: |
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Non impetuous mounted troops charging must made 2ud move minimum;
This means: if elephants are in 2ud from kn cv..., mounted troops have to contact them. If not, they can stop after2 ud move.
If they are impetuous, they have to contact elephants.
If they are in ZOC, charge is free. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Localisation: London
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Posté le: Mer Jan 19, 2022 8:12 pm Sujet du message: |
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Agreed Lionelrus.
What he is saying is that units which charge must advance the minimum distance (1UD for foot, 2UD for mounted), and will contact any enemy that are within that distance unless they evade. |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Mer Jan 19, 2022 8:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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Ramses II a écrit: | Agreed Lionelrus.
What he is saying is that units which charge must advance the minimum distance (1UD for foot, 2UD for mounted), and will contact any enemy that are within that distance unless they evade. |
And impetuous are not allowed stopping charge. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537
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Posté le: Mer Jan 19, 2022 10:55 pm Sujet du message: |
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And as a reminder. No mounted "are required" to initiate a charge into elephants. This includes impetuous. The Elephants even behind the LI prevent the impetuous from occurring.*
IF the mounted choose to charge, then as the above wrote, 2 UD minimum etc.
* This is on p46 the note and yellow box. |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Jeu Jan 20, 2022 2:40 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hazelbark a écrit: | And as a reminder. No mounted "are required" to initiate a charge into elephants. This includes impetuous. The Elephants even behind the LI prevent the impetuous from occurring.*
IF the mounted choose to charge, then as the above wrote, 2 UD minimum etc.
* This is on p46 the note and yellow box. |
Absolutly! _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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ALEXANDER
Vétéran
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Posté le: Jeu Jan 20, 2022 6:56 pm Sujet du message: |
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It is a suicidal situation. The Combat factor would be
Elefant 3 versus Mounted 0
The best is to turn around and ride away, if ...
you are still outside the Zoc of the elefant
Unless you are able to do a mounted flank attack on the elefant. THEN ITS -1 VERSUS 2
Elefant -1 flanked and disordered (impact is lost)
Mounted +2 melee support
A Cavalry flank attact against an elefant is much more effective than Li javelin flank attack |
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Za Otlichiye
Signifer
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Localisation: Lovecraft country (and you Dan?)
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Posté le: Jeu Jan 20, 2022 8:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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IIUC the Cv will be at +1, as Panic applies to both the main and the supporting units. |
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ALEXANDER
Vétéran
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Posté le: Jeu Jan 20, 2022 9:59 pm Sujet du message: |
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An Elefant with a multiple attack at the front and the flank by MC impact
EL Combat factor 0, - 1 disorder , impact is cancelled = -1
MC impact Combat factor 1,-1 panic, impact cancellef, plus Combat factor Flanking MC 1 + 1 = 2
The impact of the MC to the front is cancelled though the El has a enemy MC in melee support to its flank
BUT..the melee support of 2 is no reduced by any other modifier.
If both the 2 MC attack on the flanks
The combat will be even -1 versus 4
The impact of the Mc Main Unit is not cancelled
and your Main unit gets the Bonus for flank attack
If you attack the elefant with a MC and a Li Javelin,
be careful to attack with the MC his FLANK (and not the front)
and keep in mind the rule for determing the Main Unit
Page 60
If you attack with the Li javelin First the combat is
- 1 versus 4 otherwise its -1 versus 3 |
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Za Otlichiye
Signifer
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Posté le: Jeu Jan 20, 2022 10:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, my mistake. Panic is an additional modifier, so does not count for the supporting MC, only the main unit. |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Ven Jan 21, 2022 3:59 am Sujet du message: |
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Za Otlichiye a écrit: | IIUC the Cv will be at +1, as Panic applies to both the main and the supporting units. |
no |
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