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gnw1976
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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 6:33 am    Sujet du message: Elephants pursuit versus supporting units Répondre en citant
In a situation where the elephant destroys its opponent (B1), in the elephant players turn, must the elephant pursue? or can the medium infantry on the flank (A2) pursue?

Page 69, 5th bullet point "Pursuit is mandatory for elephants and impetuous units except...."

Page 69, 7th bullet point "If several units are in melee with teh same enemy only one of the units can pursue, at the player choice (sic). If one of the units is impetuous, it must pursue unless another unit pursues into its path".


So, my interpretation is that if the elephant were impetuous foot or cav, then they must pursue and the medium infantry cannot.
But the rules suggest that the medium infantry can pursue instead of the elephant. It seems odd to me that they are treated differently than impetuous in this instance.

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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 12:42 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I would think ( by analogy to impetuous troops), the elephant only needs to pursue if the medium foot on the flank does not pursue first.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 3:41 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
The rules as written say the El must pursue and the MI cannot. The spirit is unclear.

AFAICS, the "into its path" would only come into play if the impetuous unit was partially conformed on a flank, and the non-impetuous pursuer did not pursue the full 1 UD (which non-impetuous pursuer can do), or if it's LI fighting LI (in penalizing terrain) and the impetuous unit is fully conformed to rear edge of the enemy, so that the victorious LI pursues a full 1UD, just clearing the impetuous friend on the flank, who can also advance a full UD... Rolling Eyes
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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 4:00 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Once the MI pursue, which they are allowed to do, the El do not have a path forward and its pursuit is blocked. Pursuers do not push troops blocking their pursuit. They also don’t wheel or slide to avoid obstacles. This is the same as the situation with impetuous troops.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 9:47 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
gnw1976 a écrit:


Page 69, 7th bullet point "If several units are in melee with teh same enemy only one of the units can pursue, at the player choice (sic). If one of the units is impetuous, it must pursue unless another unit pursues into its path".



So it clearly says at the players choice. So either can pursue. If you do not pursue with the infantry then the Elephant must.

If the infantry pursues the Elephant may not. If the infantry does not pursue then the Elephant must.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 17, 2022 8:58 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
This is how we play it, but I would think a change such that any impetuous troops or elephants have pursuit priority over other troops - would be a better outcome.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Juil 17, 2022 11:37 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
muz177 a écrit:
This is how we play it, but I would think a change such that any impetuous troops or elephants have pursuit priority over other troops - would be a better outcome.


You can think also about the "efforts" as player you managed, to get that solution given by the rule, that saves your elephant or impetuous troops to pursue. Take it like a playing "tip" rather than a "simulation" of any reality...
othewise the cost of the elephant sould be too much probably.

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MessagePosté le: Lun Juil 18, 2022 12:00 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
muz177 a écrit:
This is how we play it, but I would think a change such that any impetuous troops or elephants have pursuit priority over other troops - would be a better outcome.


This has long been discussed El Kreator has knowingly kept it the way it is in v4.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Juil 19, 2022 12:41 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
muz177 a écrit:
This is how we play it, but I would think a change such that any impetuous troops or elephants have pursuit priority over other troops - would be a better outcome.

ADLG already has lots of little rules to remember (as ancients rules tend to be), minimizing those makes a game easier to play.
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