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Neep
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 Posté le: Ven Jan 27, 2023 8:12 pm Sujet du message: uncontrolled charge and road bonus |
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Must an impetuous unit consider the road bonus when checking for uncontrolled charge?
On one hand there is no exception in the rules, on the other they do ignore the road bonus when calculating difficult maneuvers. |
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Ven Jan 27, 2023 8:49 pm Sujet du message: |
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| And the age-old question - is the road bonus compulsory or optional? |
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Commodore
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| Posté le: Sam Jan 28, 2023 8:24 am Sujet du message: |
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A movement made entirely on a road causes a movement allowance increase of +1 UD. It's not an option. Example, an HC impetuous charging all along a road will charge on 4,5 or 6 UD in accordance with the variable move dice roll.
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Zoltan
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| Posté le: Sam Jan 28, 2023 10:16 am Sujet du message: |
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| Commodore a écrit: | | A movement made entirely on a road causes a movement allowance increase of +1 UD. It's not an option. Example, an HC impetuous charging all along a road will charge on 4,5 or 6 UD in accordance with the variable move dice roll. |
Thanks.
In the English rules it says on p.29 (regarding movement & manoeuvres entirely along a road), "The unit can also add one UD to its movement allowance if the player chooses."
This makes it sound optional even for impetuous troops. |
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Commodore
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| Posté le: Sam Jan 28, 2023 11:32 am Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | | Commodore a écrit: | | A movement made entirely on a road causes a movement allowance increase of +1 UD. It's not an option. Example, an HC impetuous charging all along a road will charge on 4,5 or 6 UD in accordance with the variable move dice roll. |
Thanks.
In the English rules it says on p.29 (regarding movement & manoeuvres entirely along a road), "The unit can also add one UD to its movement allowance if the player chooses."
This makes it sound optional even for impetuous troops. |
checking
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Commodore
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| Posté le: Sam Jan 28, 2023 11:49 am Sujet du message: |
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| Zoltan a écrit: | | Commodore a écrit: | | A movement made entirely on a road causes a movement allowance increase of +1 UD. It's not an option. Example, an HC impetuous charging all along a road will charge on 4,5 or 6 UD in accordance with the variable move dice roll. |
Thanks.
In the English rules it says on p.29 (regarding movement & manoeuvres entirely along a road), "The unit can also add one UD to its movement allowance if the player chooses."
This makes it sound optional even for impetuous troops. |
You are right and, of course i was wrong ! I did not consider this para. So a road bonus is optionaland an impetuous charging unit can ignore this bonus at player option if chzrging all along a road.
Conclusion: i need another coffee ! 
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Neep
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| Posté le: Sam Jan 28, 2023 3:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, but uncontrolled charges are implicitly always mandatory or always prohibited. This would allow a player to choose. I think there needs to be a ruling, either impetuous units always add the road bonus, or they never add it.
Ok, it could be left as the lone exception where uncontrolled charges are optional. Might make for an unhappy argument, though.
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Dim Jan 29, 2023 3:23 am Sujet du message: |
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| Adding is kind of nasty. Lure one unit into charging alone to its doom and force it to spend 3 CPs to avoid this fate…. |
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Longtooth
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| Posté le: Dim Jan 29, 2023 9:49 am Sujet du message: |
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| Neep a écrit: | | Yes, but uncontrolled charges are implicitly always mandatory or always prohibited. This would allow a player to choose. I think there needs to be a ruling, either impetuous units always add the road bonus, or they never add it. |
I think this can be filed under 'unlikely to ever occur in an actual game'. Lets not loose sleep and move onto the next question. |
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Dim Jan 29, 2023 8:44 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Depending on the answer it could make deploying roads against impetuous armies a viable (if not particularly historically accurate) tactic. |
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Mike Bennett
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| Posté le: Dim Jan 29, 2023 9:01 pm Sujet du message: |
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| KevinD a écrit: | | Depending on the answer it could make deploying roads against impetuous armies a viable (if not particularly historically accurate) tactic. |
But surely one easily countered, by simply positioning the group so that no unit is perfectly lined up on the road? |
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Hazelbark
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| KevinD a écrit: | | Depending on the answer it could make deploying roads against impetuous armies a viable (if not particularly historically accurate) tactic. |
And recall roads are laid down in diced for sectors so engineering a road to where a unit will move is not easy. |
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Hazelbark
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| Posté le: Lun Jan 30, 2023 11:50 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Neep a écrit: | Yes, but uncontrolled charges are implicitly always mandatory or always prohibited. This would allow a player to choose. I think there needs to be a ruling, either impetuous units always add the road bonus, or they never add it.
Ok, it could be left as the lone exception where uncontrolled charges are optional. Might make for an unhappy argument, though. |
So in the real-world Umpire's resolve this easily.
I would say, since the distance is optional therefore no mandatory charge at beyond normal move, but if the charge goes, then the owner of the charging unit can add the 1 UD, but must declare before the variable distance.
Easy-peasy. |
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lionelrus
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| Posté le: Mar Jan 31, 2023 4:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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Comodore is correct. This had been made to avoid "dbm way of life".
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Neep
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| Posté le: Mer Fév 01, 2023 12:46 am Sujet du message: |
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| Hazelbark a écrit: | | Neep a écrit: | Yes, but uncontrolled charges are implicitly always mandatory or always prohibited. This would allow a player to choose. I think there needs to be a ruling, either impetuous units always add the road bonus, or they never add it.
Ok, it could be left as the lone exception where uncontrolled charges are optional. Might make for an unhappy argument, though. |
So in the real-world Umpire's resolve this easily.
I would say, since the distance is optional therefore no mandatory charge at beyond normal move, but if the charge goes, then the owner of the charging unit can add the 1 UD, but must declare before the variable distance.
Easy-peasy. |
A sensible resolution. |
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