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vexillia
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 Posté le: Dim Sep 10, 2023 11:36 am Sujet du message: Mounted leaving a ZoC to their rear |
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A few of simple(?) questions:
- What happens if they meet friends they cannot interpenetrate?
- Can they charge an enemy in their path providing they move straight ahead?
- What happens if they reach rough or difficult terrain?
Page references would be extra helpful. Thanks.
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Dim Sep 10, 2023 1:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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Good questions….
1. I think they can’t do it and must evade instead as the are not moving “straight ahead their full movement allowanceâ€. Maybe they can stop, or maybe they have to evade instead or something else… Clarification of the rule here would be good.
2. No I don’t think so. (You can only charge MTE enemy and these would not be it plus it’s not moving straight ahead their full movement allowance…)
3. They slow down to their speed in that terrain but do keep moving until they have gone their full movement allowance in whatever terrain they are slowest in. |
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vexillia
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| Posté le: Dim Sep 10, 2023 1:56 pm Sujet du message: |
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| KevinD a écrit: |
1. I think they can’t do it and must evade instead as the are not moving “straight ahead their full movement allowanceâ€. Maybe they can stop, or maybe they have to evade instead or something else… Clarification of the rule here would be good.
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Nothing in the rule book regarding alternatives. Stopping is the simplest.
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2. No I don’t think so. (You can only charge MTE enemy and these would not be it plus it’s not moving straight ahead their full movement allowance…)
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Found something on p37 last bullet under "Units that cannot evade": they cannot contact friends.. But mounted leaving a ZoC to there rear isn't in this section: it's a special case.
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3. They slow down to their speed in that terrain but do keep moving until they have gone their full movement allowance in whatever terrain they are slowest in. |
I agree. Looking for confirmation.
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ALEXANDER
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| Posté le: Dim Sep 10, 2023 2:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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There is no simple answer!
For example
HC impact can only exit the Zoc of an enemy LC to its rear by doing Retreat of 2 UD (2CP) and becoming disordered.
But HC impetuous could do an uncontrolled charge against the nearest enemy directly to the front.
Please explain the situation and troop types!
(page 37)
Exiting a ZOC
Special case
Mounted troops whose rear is within...
(page 43)
8. Continuing a charge
Point 2 and 5
(page 46)
Exceptions to uncontrolled charge
Point 2 and 11
(page 40)
Burst through
Point 3
(page 45)
Resolution of uncontrolled charges
(page 48)
Second case: Evade blocked by an obstacle
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3 Evade move direction
5 Evade Move |
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Hazelbark
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| ALEXANDER a écrit: | There is no simple answer!
For example
HC impact can only exit the Zoc of an enemy LC to its rear by doing Retreat of 2 UD (2CP) and becoming disordered.
But HC impetuous could do an uncontrolled charge against the nearest enemy directly to the front.
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Uncontrolled charges must obey ZOC p 45 right side last bullet in the first section.
So no but. |
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Hazelbark
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3. They slow down to their speed in that terrain but do keep moving until they have gone their full movement allowance in whatever terrain they are slowest in. |
I agree. Looking for confirmation. |
Confirmed |
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ALEXANDER
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| Posté le: Lun Sep 11, 2023 10:38 am Sujet du message: |
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3. They slow down to their speed in that terrain but do keep moving until they have gone their full movement allowance in whatever terrain they are slowest in. |
I agree. Looking for confirmation. |
Confirmed |
I am not sure about that!
See page 46
Exceptions to uncontrolled charges
Last sentence
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Page 43 Continuing a charge
Sentence 2 and 4!
If the initial target evades a unit of HC impetuous must continue there charge up to their maximum distance...BUT
Continuing a charge is mandatory for impetuous units ONLY, if they can contact a new enemy or pursuing evading units UNLESS THIS WOULD RESULT IN ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS TO UNCONTROLLED CHARGES.
IN ALL CASES A CHARGE STOPS IF THE UNITS MEETS.......A TERRAIN THAT IS PENALIZING IN COMBAT
If it is not a charge but an evade to exit an enemy ZOC
See Page 37
A unit exiting a zoc is not allowed to contact the enemy or shoot |
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ALEXANDER
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| Hazelbark a écrit: | | ALEXANDER a écrit: | There is no simple answer!
For example
HC impact can only exit the Zoc of an enemy LC to its rear by doing Retreat of 2 UD (2CP) and becoming disordered.
But HC impetuous could do an uncontrolled charge against the nearest enemy directly to the front.
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Uncontrolled charges must obey ZOC p 45 right side last bullet in the first section.
So no but. |
Does this mean ..
If a unit of HC impetouous is ZOCed by a enemy LC to its rear and has an enemy of MC bow 2 UD directly to its front.
...the HC cannot only charge the LC by doing a difficult manoeuvre. (2 CP and minus 2 UD)
The HC cannot charge the nearest unit directly to its front (MC bow) because the MC bow is outside 1 UD and no MTE
and it cannot do an uncontrolled charge because the ZOC of the LC to its rear is ignored |
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Hazelbark
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| ALEXANDER a écrit: |
Does this mean ..
If a unit of HC impetouous is ZOCed by a enemy LC to its rear and has an enemy of MC bow 2 UD directly to its front.
...the HC cannot only charge the LC by doing a difficult manoeuvre. (2 CP and minus 2 UD)
can only charge by turning and charging LH
The HC cannot charge the nearest unit directly to its front (MC bow) because the MC bow is outside 1 UD and no MTE
Correct if the LC is the MTE
and it cannot do an uncontrolled charge because the ZOC of the LC to its rear is ignored
is not ignored. Further this is an explicit exception, p46 2nd bullet
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Replicates the disaster of troops that are surrounded that are worried about being attacked in the rear need orders because general confusion reigns. Of course the upside is your impetuous CV do not need any CP to stay still. |
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vexillia
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| Posté le: Sam Sep 16, 2023 9:12 am Sujet du message: |
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| vexillia a écrit: | A few of simple(?) questions:
- 1. What happens if they meet friends they cannot interpenetrate?
- 2. Can they charge an enemy in their path providing they move straight ahead?
- 3. What happens if they reach rough or difficult terrain?
Page references would be extra helpful. Thanks. |
All resolved now:
[1] They stop.
[2a] No. Contact not allowed. See Contacting Enemy | General Principals (p41).
[2b] Units stop "a few millimetres" short of contact
[3] Movement reduced if can enter terrain if not stop at edge (p29).
Plus only mounted that cannot evade, exit a ZoC to their rear by moving straight ahead. Other mounted must evade.
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