KevinD
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Posté le: Sam Mai 14, 2022 2:10 pm Sujet du message: Mounted ZOCed to the Rear |
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When a mounted unit is ZOCed by a slower moving unit to its rear, what are its options? (P 37.)
1. Can it choose to evade?
2. If it chooses to move straight ahead, can it:
3. Move less than its full move?
4. Slide (even to avoid obstacles)?
5. Do this as a charge?
6. Can it do this so long as any part of its rear is ZOCed even if a side is ZOCed?
7. What if one unit ZOCs its rear but another ZOCs some other part of the unit, can it still move straight ahead because there is a slower unit ZOCing its rear?
8. What if one slower unit ZOCs its rear but another faster one also ZOCs it? |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Dim Mai 15, 2022 6:56 pm Sujet du message: |
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p 37 "special cases"
1 no
3 no
4 no
5 no. This is a move not a charge and a charge must charge the most threatening enemy.
6 I would say yes, but I am trying to figure out precisely what you are saying. A ZOC does not move through an enemy unit remember. So a ZOC that strike both side and rear this would be allowed but a ZOC that only strikes side no.
7 Which is the most threatening unit? A rule of thumb, you are never really zoc'd by two units. One always has precedence.
8 see answer to 7. |
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Ramses II
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Posté le: Lun Mai 16, 2022 4:29 pm Sujet du message: |
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As Hazelbark says, this is covered in "Exiting a ZoC" (P37).
Normally units that may evade do so, while those that may not evade 'step back' while facing the enemy. However in the special case where the most threatening enemy is ZoCing the rear of a faster mounted unit which may not normally evade, it just moves away.
So, IMO the answers are - YES Bow armed cavalry may evade, while Impact and Impetuous cavalry may also move away.
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- No, in all cases the unit moves the full distance
- No, only mounted making an evade may slide and / or wheel to avoid obstacles
- No, in the same way that evaders may not charge a new enemy, units exiting the ZoC of one enemy may not charge another enemy.
- This depends on where the front edge of the most threatening enemy is located (see Types of Contact diag P41). It will either be on a flank or rear, which in turn determines what the unit may do
- Only the nearest enemy is "the Most Threatening" by definition (P35), irrespective of it's location or mobility
- See answer #7 above
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KevinD
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Posté le: Sam Juin 11, 2022 4:03 am Sujet du message: |
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So Hazelbark and Ramses disagree about whether mounted who can evade may choose to either move away or evade (Ramses) or must move away only (Hazelbark).
Could I ask you to clarify which is allowed with EK?
Another question if a unit moving away meets (a) an obstacle (friends it can’t interpenetrate, enemy, or impassable terrain) or(b) table edge what happens?
(a) Is it not allowed to move away? Or is it allowed to just stop at the obstacle?
(b) Does it exit the table or is it not allowed to move away or does it stop at the table edge. |
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KevinD
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Posté le: Sam Sep 16, 2023 3:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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HCaille wrote (regarding the Special Move for mounted to exit the ZOC of slower troops to their rear):
“If the unit can Evade, it does an evade move
The units that cannot evade apply the special rule for exiting the ZoC“
http://www.artdelaguerre.fr/adlg/v3/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10007 |
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