Art De La Guerre

[vexillia]

Cases to consider:
1. A unit that cannot evade, pivots (if necessary) and moves straight back out of a ZoC.
2. Mounted with ZoC of slower unit to its rear moves straight ahead a full move.
3. A unit without another enemy ZoC to it's rear disengages from combat by moving to its rear 1 or 2 UD.

Rules:
For 1 the rules say stop when meeting a new enemy but the stopping distance isn't defined.
The rules for 2 are silent on both contact & stopping distance.
For 3 the unit cannot contact a new enemy but the stopping distance isn't defined.

Issues
Is there contact with cases 1 & 2? If they don't contact the enemy how far away do they stop?
If there is contact, does it result in combat and if so when?
With 3, how far away do they stop?

Question
Is something like "stopping 1UD from new enemy or friends it can't interpenetrate" currently missing and required?

Thanks.

[vexillia]

An alternative view of the same issue that may be easier to understand:

I think there's a general issue pertaining to "avoidance" moves that isn't covered by the evade rules.

When evading, the move ends when the unit "arrives within 1 UD of [an] obstacle or the minimum more than 1 UD if a wheel is required" (p48). It isn't that clear, but I assume the obstacle in question is one that can't be avoided.

With the other complex moves the situation is different.

[1] Non-evaders leaving a ZoC must stop when they meet an obstacle (includes enemy units) (p37).
[2] The special rule for Mounted in a ZoC to their rear is silent on contacting enemy or obstacles during the move.
[3] Disengaging units "may not contact any enemy" (p40) but the stopping distance isn't specified.

Apart from the inconsistency, it raises further questions:

[1] When stopping after exiting a ZoC is there contact with the enemy (or obstacle)? If not how far away does it stop?
[2] Does the answer to [1] apply to mounted moving away from a ZoC to their rear?
[3] How far away for enemy units do disengaging units stop?

It's all a bit messy. Perhaps all that's required is a blanket rule along the lines of "stopping 1 UD from new enemy or friends it can't interpenetrate" is required?
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[Hazelbark]

[SteveR]

I am not following you.

Can you explain why you think the evade move "ends" when the unit arrives within one UD of an obstacle?

I think this premise is flawed. Take a look at the diagram on page 49 showing an evade. See how the LH moves to avoid the obstacle.

If the obstacle cannot be avoided the unit must stop.

It may contact evading enemy LI. It may not contact the camp.

Presumably it may not contact other enemy units.

If the obstacle is friendly and cannot be avoided it just stops in contact

[Hazelbark]

[hcaille]

Hello

For all the cases that specify "just before contact", the unit must stop a few milimeters before the contact.

In the evade move, the unit can react 1 UD before the obstacle because it allow the unit to pivot to avoid the obstacle.

[vexillia]

Thanks Herve. One more issue (isn't there always?) ...

A mounted unit (that can evade) is in the ZoC of a slower unit to their rear wishes to exit the ZoC. Do they:

[1] Evade,
[2] Apply the special case rule,
[3] Or does the player have a choice?

Answers on a postcard please.
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[Neep]

I'm pretty sure the special case only applies to mounted that cannot evade.
Evading is generally more flexible, _except_ you must evade off the table edge, but when "exiting" you get to (muist) stop at the edge.

[hcaille]

If the unit can Evade, it does an evade move
The units that cannot evade apply the special rule for exiting the ZoC

[vexillia]

Sorted. Thanks Herve.
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[KevinD]

[Hazelbark]

Well its solved. Sometimes we try to be helpful while El Kreator is busy.

We are mere apostles and imperfect.

[Neep]

Kevin, I believe shooting is prohibited in either case.