Art De La Guerre

[Graeme Ralph]

Gents,

We all have lots of scribbled notes in our margins and it’s time for a new edition to be published. Can I suggest:

New edition needed to incorporate all current amendments.
Hardcopy to be loose leaf, spiral bound or equivalent. The current version is thick and difficult to flip through.
A much expanded index.
The lists made a separate volume and available on line as a download.
The rules to be available electronically on a web site for viewing, but not printing or copying; this method is common for national standards such as ASTM, AS, etc.
Remove the photos of the miniatures, as they only add to the size of the document.
Add examples of 200point army lists.

Graeme

[SteveR]

Well, it is like this.

I agree with you on point 1. When I consider the hours of play I get from the rules I would happily buy another couple of updated copies

I'm neutral on your second request. I just take the rules as they are to a local copy shop and have mine spiral bound. This also allows me choice on your point number 4

I fully support a much expanded index and will be happy to see someone else compile it. They can count on me for hearty words of encouragement and episodic sound advice. And applause when they finish.

Because I choose to have mine spiral bound I actually do it both ways. I have one complete set bound as is, and take the second set and split it into a set of rules and a set of army lists. I find it easier to use "just the rules" in a game but like having one complete document for travel. I'd love to see it online, but am not sure this is in the authors best interest, although it might be in mine.

As for online availability, again I am not sure this is best for the author and question the impregnability of the security.

The photos add to the visual appeal and allow for a place to enter rules clarifications. I doubt if the necessity for that will stop

Are examples of army lists (which are already easily found online) all that more valuable than the pictures? I dont think so.

But let me add two other points to your request:

First, like the index, I would love to see someone else take the time and energy to make an easy to use online army builder. The excel spreadsheet is just "okay" and best, and surely my warm approbation is sufficient reward for them to make this effort.

Second there is an egregious error that still has not been corrected which must be included in version 5. Charging Heavy infantry cannot "roll down" and so have a minimum 2 UD move when chasing evaders. But bladed war wagons who charge are not afforded this exemption. This is most unfair. Indeed, I think that bladed war wagons who charge downhill should be treated as impetuous and required to make a full move. Or even get an extra UD as they are rolling faster and faster down the slope.

Thank you for attending my talk.

[KevinD]

Steve’s points are generally sensible, but…

If there’s to be a 5th edition are there any changes to the actual rules? Have these been “destructively” playtested to make sure they are clear, work as intended and aren’t exploitable? Similarly for changes to lists.

[Mark G Fry]

[Three]

Leave as is, better meddle with the de'il than the rabbit hole of continual tinkering....to paraphrase my town motto.

[Hazelbark]

Take your current copy.
Go to office supply store (fedex kinkos)
Have them snip off the binder.
Then you have the rules bound in to separate spiral binders one for army lists the other for rules.

There most of your portability is fixed.

[Dickstick]

I split mine into three and previously ring bound but currently put into plastic pocket books.
Rules, first three list periods, second three list periods.
Each is not then too big and sit flat on the table .

As for heavy infantry can never roll down.
Yes they can but are not forced to take the short move but can if they wish (impetuous troops excepted)
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[Hazelbark]

[madaxeman]

V3 came out in 2015, and lasted completely unchanged (apart from by the FAQ document) until 2021.

I suspect that it is therefore best to plan for the idea that v4 will have a similar trajectory, especially as there appear to be rather fewer FAQ items this time around. 

Whether that is deemed right or wrong is down to personal preference, but the preference of the author seems clear - and he does not appear to be someone who is easily lobbied.
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[Graeme Ralph]

Gentlemen, thanks for your comments. My main motivation in posting this thread was to encourage the printing of a new version which incorporates all of the Errata, as there is now quite a lot of it, and navigating my update notes in the margins is becoming difficult! Graeme.

[DarkBlack]

While it would be nice to have a book with all the changes and errata corrected, and would pay for it, I'm not sure it would be a worthwhile to produce.
There are not that many, certainly not enough for a new edition, and there will likely be more errata along.

Similarly; having the lists in a separate book would be nice, but not sure that making two books where one does well enough is worthwhile. ADLG with all the lists isn't that cumbersome, to be honest.

I don't know much about how much trouble either would be, so please correct me if I'm in error.

If anything, I would rather have the time and energy spent on polishing and publishing an official ADLG-R supplement.