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SteveR
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Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 372
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Posté le: Jeu Mai 22, 2025 9:19 pm Sujet du message: May a unit act in both simple support and melee support? |
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I looked and did not see this already in the forum
1X
2Y
Z
1 is facing right. 2 is facing down
the other player has the letters
X and Y are facing left
Z is facing up
everyone but Y is the main unit in melee
Y meets the criteria to act in simple support to X as it is not in melee and is aligned as per the first bullet of simple support on page 60
It also is fully conformed as per the first bullet of Melee support on the same page.
So it looks funny but today it came up and we concluded that it could do so. |
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KevinD
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Inscrit le: 23 Aoû 2021 Messages: 657
Localisation: Texas
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Posté le: Jeu Mai 22, 2025 10:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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I did not think so, but I agree with you that nothing on p60 precludes this. I thought there was a rule that units in melee support can not provide support, but only troops in melee are prohibited from providing support. |
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Neep
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Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 306
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Posté le: Ven Mai 23, 2025 1:58 pm Sujet du message: |
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I do recall it coming up before, either here or on Facebook . Don't recall a conclusion. |
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madaxeman
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Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1616
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Sam Mai 24, 2025 9:16 am Sujet du message: |
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Even if Hereve thought this was a bit iffy, it seems like something that is so unlikely to happen, and furthermore, something which would be almost impossible to deliberately engineer that I can't see why it would even be worth the extra ink required to legislate against it. _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Neep
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Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 306
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Posté le: Sam Mai 24, 2025 2:32 pm Sujet du message: |
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The sticking point is the last sentence on the left page 60 "Support units can be either simple support or melee support". Some see that as an exclusive-or. |
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madaxeman
Magister Militum

Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1616
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Dim Mai 25, 2025 9:21 am Sujet du message: |
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Neep a écrit: | The sticking point is the last sentence on the left page 60 "Support units can be either simple support or melee support". Some see that as an exclusive-or. |
Given that the following two sections after that go on to explain in detail what "Simple Support" and "Melee Support" actually are, and as that same page ends with a separate"Additional points" section of 6 further bullets in which exceptions and conditions for corner-case situations around "Support" are listed.... I feel that there are enough clues here such that an 'exclusive-or' reading woudl require one to engage in a far deeper soaking in the mental bubblebath of Barkerese than is reasonable.. _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Ramses II
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2015 Messages: 1243
Localisation: London
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Posté le: Dim Mai 25, 2025 4:12 pm Sujet du message: |
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I am inclined towards Madaxman’s views.Â
Changing the hard “or†to “and†makes more sense, and could be a slip in the translation from the French. Doing this means that the text would say that there is simple support and melee support, which the text then goes on to define.Â
Given that a unit can provide simple support to two units, I am inclined to allow a unit to provide melee support to one unit while providing simple support to another - though as Madaxman says, this will be rather difficult to achieve in practice. |
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Neep
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Posté le: Dim Mai 25, 2025 5:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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Just musing about this - it might not be as unlikely as it would seem. Here's a scenario:
A and 1 melee inconclusively. 2 routs B and immediately turns to face C who was in melee support.
Now D moves into melee support of C against 2. It will be in simple support position of A.
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