KevinD
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 Posté le: Lun Déc 15, 2025 2:28 am Sujet du message: Evading LI into the midst of a column |
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There is a LI evading and a friendly HI 2 UD behind it with an integrated artillery directly behind that HI.
LI
2 UD Gap
HI
Arty
The LI rolls normally, which means its front is now on top of the Arty and its rear edge is on top of the HI.
1. What happens?
I think the LI cannot interpenetrate the Arty since it hasn’t partially cleared it. It would try to interpenetrate the HI and advance forward to clear the HI (first bullet right side on p 39) but this leaves it on top of the Arty. Per 39 last sentence, if there is no space interpenetration is not allowed. So the LI tries to wheel and avoid the HI as it is an obstacle.
2. Is the above correct? |
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SteveR
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| Posté le: Lun Déc 15, 2025 3:20 am Sujet du message: |
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| Per page 49, third bullet, a slide is preferred to a wheel if a slide allows it to avoid the obstacle. So it moves back one UD, sees the HI it cannot interpenetrate one UD away and now maneuvers to avoid it by a slide of one UD, then moves a final UD. |
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Lun Déc 15, 2025 4:32 am Sujet du message: |
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| Thanks Steve. Somehow I misremembered that wrong as wheels before slides. |
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Mike Bennett
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| Posté le: Lun Déc 15, 2025 9:06 am Sujet du message: |
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| This depends on interpreting the HI as an obstacle in this context. Whilst such an interpretation may be reasonable in the circumstances, it would be overriding or ignoring the p67 formal definition of an obstacle. |
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Mike Bennett
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| Posté le: Lun Déc 15, 2025 9:12 am Sujet du message: |
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| SteveR a écrit: | | Per page 49, third bullet, a slide is preferred to a wheel if a slide allows it to avoid the obstacle. So it moves back one UD, sees the HI it cannot interpenetrate one UD away and now maneuvers to avoid it by a slide of one UD, then moves a final UD. |
NB We can get some perverse effects when evades are blocked
1. It takes 1.5ud to wheel, and starts at 1ud, and so the evader might end up significantly closer to the chargers than if it stopped on meeting the HI, leading to it getting caught when it would otherwise get away if it stopped directly infront of the blocker
Or
2. Getting away from an enemy who is significantly faster thanks to a wheel and move out of the path of the charge |
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SteveR
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| Posté le: Mer Déc 17, 2025 12:36 am Sujet du message: |
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Hi Mike, yeah - English using the same word for different things causes some issues.
the page 67 definition of an obstacle refers to different types of obstacles than page 48 does.
Page 48 uses the term in the title and clearly refers to "enemy units, friendly units that it cannot
interpenetrate or an impassable terrain" in the text as the obstacles in question.
Kevin's case is pretty clear (and easy) it gets difficult to see where the unit ends up when you look at a LC rolling long and needing to slide and wheel and the like |
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