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MalcolmDove
Javelinier
Inscrit le: 13 Déc 2013 Messages: 11
Localisation: United Kingdom
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 8:34 am Sujet du message: To conform or not? |
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We had a situation where 2 units on each side fought a melee and the rightmost on each side routed.
XXX XXX
YYY YYY
Leaving
...... XXX
YYY.......
It is Y's turn does his unit (that is only in corner contact) have to conform by sliding right, or can it attack the flank of X ? |
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chris6
Vétéran
Inscrit le: 02 Déc 2013 Messages: 198
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 8:57 am Sujet du message: |
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Without being absolut sure i say "sliding" is the right move because rule S.51 Sorts of contact. A contact on the flank of the opponents unit is only allowed if at least part of the front of your unit is directly to the flank of the oponents unit.
We had a similar issue last night:
xxx xxx player A (phasing player)
yyy yyy player B
After players A phase the following situation because the right unit of B routet and the right unit of A pursuited.
xxx
YYY xxx
Now player B the phasing player has to fight the left unit of A who gets +1 support from his right unit in the flank of yyy. Result: DRAW
Still same constellation but now player a phasing. Letting his right unit conform to YYY without spending a CP (Site 55 Conforming after melee) to this constellation:
xxx
yyy x
x
x
Now yyy is automatically losing a cohesion for being conacted in the flank. If this doesnt rout yyy we have a combat were xxx gets a+1 for the flank.
I hope we had this right?
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Apa
Tribun
Inscrit le: 22 Déc 2008 Messages: 713
Localisation: Clermont-Ferrand
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 10:17 am Sujet du message: |
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Malcolm,
You can’t attack the flank because to do so your front has to be partly on the flank as Chris said. Now Y can choose to slide on the right to match X’s front, or not.
Chris,
you’re right. |
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chris6
Vétéran
Inscrit le: 02 Déc 2013 Messages: 198
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 12:08 pm Sujet du message: |
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@Apa THX  |
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Soranon
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 19 Juil 2012 Messages: 2640
Localisation: Toulouse
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 3:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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Y can choose to slide and conform if isn't a impetuous troop... If Y is one of this , it must slide and conform ! |
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chris6
Vétéran
Inscrit le: 02 Déc 2013 Messages: 198
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 3:45 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes, always remember the impetous have to get into the fight....easy to forget in the heat of the battle.  |
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Mad Max
Légat
Inscrit le: 17 Fév 2014 Messages: 511
Localisation: Béthune
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 5:08 pm Sujet du message: |
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chris6 a écrit: |
Still same constellation but now player a phasing. Letting his right unit conform to YYY without spending a CP (Site 55 Conforming after melee) to this constellation:
xxx
yyy x
x
x
Now yyy is automatically losing a cohesion for being conacted in the flank. If this doesnt rout yyy we have a combat were xxx gets a+1 for the flank.
I hope we had this right?
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in the 2nd edition, player A had to spend 1 CP for the xxx unit on the right to turn and attack the lanck of unit yyy
xxx gets +1 for the flank indeed and yyy looses its bonus(es) (ex: heavy infantry against archer normally gets +2 but if yyy is the heavy infantry, it would get 0 here)
i'm not sure about the 3rd edition though _________________ Maxime, Ch'tis Stratège de l'Artois
pas vraiment ch'ti, pas vraiment stratège, pas vraiment amateur d'art non plus |
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Soranon
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 19 Juil 2012 Messages: 2640
Localisation: Toulouse
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 5:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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You can't have flank attack here ! Units X and Y are "corner at corner"
No one is on the flank of each other. For a flankink attack, a unit must be on the flank at the begining of the turn.
(sorry for my english) |
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chris6
Vétéran
Inscrit le: 02 Déc 2013 Messages: 198
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 8:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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@Soranon: No matter about your english, you are welcome.
Please read the whole example i posted up there. The unit which is to contact the flank of yyy is already in flankcontact by the side edge. The unit advanced 2 phases before when they did win a combat and routed the neighbour unit of yyy. |
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Soranon
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 19 Juil 2012 Messages: 2640
Localisation: Toulouse
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 23, 2014 8:41 pm Sujet du message: |
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I spoke about the first case.
You'll rigth for the second one. |
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chris6
Vétéran
Inscrit le: 02 Déc 2013 Messages: 198
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Posté le: Ven Oct 24, 2014 8:23 am Sujet du message: |
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@Soranon: Thx for the conformation! Now its clear. |
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Michaelen
Frondeur
Inscrit le: 10 Déc 2014 Messages: 3
Localisation: Senegal
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Posté le: Jeu Déc 18, 2014 3:08 am Sujet du message: To conform or not |
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Have you conform to a policy with which you did not agree?
Give me a specific example of a time when you had to conform to a policy with which you did not agree. |
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belinconnux
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 09 Sep 2009 Messages: 5448
Localisation: BORDEAUX, near Vana
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Posté le: Jeu Déc 18, 2014 8:30 am Sujet du message: |
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everytime and everywhere  _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
Peter Lord dobeul impact |
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