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Ramses II

Impetuous foot are described as similar to Impact foot.
Impact foot lose their impact bonus when charged by Impact cavalry or if the Impact foot charge against cavalry.

Do these restrictions also apply to Impetuous foot charging or being charged by cavalry?

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

Yes

you can read it several ways but they all come out as impetuous foot get nothing versus mounted.

Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Sep 16, 2015 10:38 am Sujet du message:

Ok, could you expand on this, because it does not seem clear from the wording on P17.

Longtooth · Post� le: Jeu Sep 17, 2015 12:01 pm Sujet du message:

I read through the relevant sections of the rulebook this morning and it seems pretty clear to me that impetuous units follow all the normal rules for 'impact'. As such, they will loose their +1 when charging horse, or being charged by impact horse.

lionelrus · Post� le: Jeu Sep 17, 2015 3:49 pm Sujet du message:

correct!
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Ramses II · Post� le: Jeu Sep 17, 2015 9:23 pm Sujet du message:

Ok, perhaps this is another case where the sense has been 'lost in translation. The English wording is

I never roll a six · Gladiateur Inscrit le: 07 Oct 2014 Messages: 41

If impetuous medium swordsmen are charged by non-impact medium cavalry or light chariots, what factors apply?

Do the infantry get a net +2 drm, I.e +1 for being medium swordsmen and +1 for being impetuous?

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

madaxeman · Post� le: Mer D�c 02, 2015 5:31 am Sujet du message:

diego66ro · Frondeur Inscrit le: 10 Nov 2015 Messages: 5

I really appreciate a kind reply from the author.
Impetuous rules (p.17) says: the impact of impetuous foot is cancelled when charging non-impetuous medium and heavy swordmen.

The rules dont' say: when charging non-impetuous medium and heavy swordmen or mounted, correct?

I think that impact of impetuous troops is different from impact of non-impetuous troops, it's a sort of "special impact", so it's ALWAYS valid, but for foot other than against non-impetuous medium or heavy swordmen.

Besides, the fact that impact of impetuos troops remains valid if these target troops are contacted on their flank or rear (p.17) it's, IMHO, another reason to say that this impact is particular (note that standard impact rule is only valid for a charge on the front - p.17)

If the author will confirm what I've written, does impetuos mounted have ALWAYS impact, also in terrain or against Elephant?

Does "impact rule" overwrite "impetuous rule"?

belinconnux · Post� le: Dim D�c 13, 2015 11:34 am Sujet du message:

Well, lot of water will flow under the bridges before I'll go in England for a tournament ... to more differences. Laughing

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Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

plefebvre · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 30 D�c 2009 Messages: 1183

Good evening.

You must consider the impact ability of impetuous foots exactly in the same way that for non impetuous. So this ability doesn't apply against impact mounted troops.
The slight difference (which explains the wording "similar") is that non impetuous medium and heavy foots cancel impact ability of impetuous foots when they stand against a frontal charge of those impetuous. But only in a frontal charge situation, otherwise, if impetuous are charging flank's ou rear's medium or heavy non impetuous, their impact ability does apply.
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diego66ro · Frondeur Inscrit le: 10 Nov 2015 Messages: 5