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MessagePosté le: Jeu Juin 29, 2017 12:44 am    Sujet du message: Evade direction Répondre en citant
In game last week we had an evade situation and wanted to know what other people do in this situation.

Three enemy LH bases in a line with one edge anchored on board edge and other edge hanging. I charged the LH on the hanging at a roughly a 45 degree angle but it was not a flank charge. My question is what direction does the LH evade;
1 turn 180 degrees to its rear and evade straight back.
2. turn in the 180 degrees and face directly away from the charge direction and then try to evade. In this case the evade move was blocked by the other LH.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Juin 29, 2017 7:50 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Straight back. There's no requirement to take the direction of the charge.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Juin 29, 2017 2:58 pm    Sujet du message: Re: Evade direction Répondre en citant
Black Prince a écrit:
My question is what direction does the LH evade;
1 turn 180 degrees to its rear and evade straight back.
2. turn in the 180 degrees and face directly away from the charge direction and then try to evade. In this case the evade move was blocked by the other LH.


If it is NOT a flank charge.
1 is an option by the owning player
2 is an option by the owning player. p39 (assuming when you write "face directly away" you mean wheel to the same angle as the charge)

You note about "blocked by the other LH" is a flag I would just point out some details that may or ma y not be relevant. Because you are abbreviating something that could matter.
A) Is it friendly to the evading LH? If it is, it is highly unlikely it blocks anything. see p 38 right column bullet section.
B) Note that even IF you are only changing 1 LH the entire group (or subset there of) can choose to evade. p 38 sentence under the heading "evade procedure".
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MessagePosté le: Sam Juil 01, 2017 2:38 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Thanks for the replies.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Juil 06, 2017 7:18 pm    Sujet du message: Group Evading Répondre en citant
Regarding group evades, XYZ below are a group of bow armed cavalry and is flanked by D at 1 UD away, an enemy light horse. ABC are a group of enemy impact cavalry facing XYZ at less than 1 UD away.

XYZ D

ABC

1. D announces a charge against Z. XYZ choose to evade. They are blocked to their rear, so have to evade opposite the charge of D. They ignore the Zoc of ABC and evade directly away from D. Is this correct?

2. ABC and D all declare charges. XYZ have no obstacle to the rear. They can choose to evade either directly back from the charge of ABC or directly away from D. As XYZ moves first, can they choose to evade at an angle, away from C and D or must they turn away from ABC and evade directly back?

Thanks!
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Juil 06, 2017 8:10 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
1) mmmh yes
2) no
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for the first point, if D declare a charge, XYZ are not"blocked to their rear": as D is on the flank, XYZ will make a 1/4 turn to face the left, so turning their back to D, and then we shall see if there is someone ZoCing their front. as ABC are ZoCing only their (after turn) flank, XYZ can evade.

For the second point, charges are declared when you actually move the unit or group, so "ABC and D declare charges" can't exist... you can have D charge and after that ABC charge or vice versa, but the charges are not simultaneous. XYZ will evade (or not) ABC and next D. The order of the charges can be important, as if ABC charge first, XYZ will surely evade and D will have nobody to contact, but if d charge first, a too confident XYZ can stay and then Z will be crushed by C and B.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Juil 07, 2017 7:48 pm    Sujet du message: Evading Répondre en citant
Merci!

A further question regarding situation 2. LH D declares charge first against Z which could also include X and Y. If I understand correctly, this requires a response from all, X, Y and Z. They decide to evade, so turn left. Then C declares charge against Z. Does this require a new response from Z? Can Z turn again and evade directly away from C? Then B declares charge on Y. Then A declares charge on X.

ABC are close enough not to need CP to charge, so could charge individually. This would require individual die rolls to determine evade distance and charge distance.

OR, since D is charging first AND XYZ evade, is this movement done first BEFORE ABC decide to charge or not?

Thanks again. I am really trying to understand how the sequence of movement would work.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Juil 07, 2017 9:51 pm    Sujet du message: Re: Evading Répondre en citant
WolfeTone a écrit:
ABC are close enough not to need CP to charge, so could charge individually. This would require individual die rolls to determine evade distance and charge distance.

OR, since D is charging first AND XYZ evade, is this movement done first BEFORE ABC decide to charge or not?


After XYZ have evaded from D it's unlikely ABC will be close enough to not require a CP to charge.

That aside, all moves are taken in sequence. So once D has declared a charge the response of XYZ is carried out then the charge of D then A +/or B +/or C are able to move/charge. Then XYZ will be able to make further evades.

In other words, the active player may make up to one move for each unit/group [within 4 ud of enemy]. The other player's units will respond automatically as required by the situation. So it's possible that a unit could make several evades as circumstances permit, but could only make one charge.
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