Art De La Guerre

[Garry Grant]

We had an interesting clash between Hellenistic Greeks and later Macedonians - the Greeks carried the day.

On one flank the Greek player aggressively moved up a line of thureophoroi/thorakitai closely screened by psiloi to skirmish with the Macedonian cavalry. These charged, the psiloi evaded and the cavalry hit the medium infantry behind. The psiloi were within 1 UD of the Macedonians.

In such a situation can the cavalry legitimately stop from charging the line of medium infantry after their initial targets evade? We did not think so.

Philiopoemen

[fdunadan]

No they can't stop;
they must charge at least 2 UD (as mounted)
they can contact the MI in open terrain

so if the Cav charge, they are mandatory to contact the MI that were behind the LI...

and they are in melee with a unit that cancel their impact and have impact receiving the charge... fight at +0...

A better plan for the Cav would have been to outflank the line of MI(as the LI dont ZoC the Cav in open) and then, charge...
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[lionelrus]

Fight at 0, yes, but in first round have armor (furious charge cancels thorakitai's armor in first round) and are elite. With furious charge this can do the job. If not compagnons may break off.
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[Dickstick]

HI get impact v mounted
MI just cancel mounted impact.
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[lionelrus]

[Dickstick]

[quote="lionelrus"][quote="Dickstick"]HI get impact v mounted
MI just cancel mounted impact.[/quote]
Not all HI, just lancers and phalanx[/quote]

Well we are talking spearman here ie " thureophoroi/thorakitai"
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[Garry Grant]

Thanks for the comments. I am relieved we played it correctly.

The psiloi were within 1 UD of the cavalry so we played that they had to carry on.

Later Macedonian cavalry do not have impact so no furious charge was involved. They have the usual bonuses against MI. Thorakitai are MI with armour so cancel out HC's armour.

As it happens the thureophoroi unit eventually broke but the cavalry were finally broken in turn after psiloi and thorakitai 'interfered' with their flanks.

Breaking off was always a possibility but, outnumbered in the centre by Hellenistic pike, the Macedonians took the risk of winning on the flank.

Cheers

[lionelrus]

[lionelrus]

[ethan]

Before there is any confusion. Later Macedonian cavalry (List 45) don't have Impact as an ability and therefore never have furious charge again MI.

[lionelrus]