Art De La Guerre

[PHGamer]

One of my new players was reading the rules, and posed a question that I could not answer to our satisfaction. It is in regard to the placement of the compulsory terrain. The rule reads (from the addendum) "Defender places the compulsory element".
A later bullet point reads "Players, starting with the defender, place all other terrain elements, except the road".
His point was the compulsory terrain piece is not rolled for but can be placed anywhere the defender chooses. His reasoning is as follows:
Literally, that is what it says in the 3rd bullet point.
All the other bullet points have a later explanation as to what they mean. But not the compulsory bullet point.
And finally, the section for placing terrain has the header, "Placing others terrain elements". Others definitely including the other items in the bullet points including Rivers, villages, roads, and by inference, the compulsory terrain.

In the end, the only argument I could provide is "that is not how we play it", which is lame at best.
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Phil
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[Dickstick]

Let me try answering this.
We read the book front to rear (says trying to not be condescending )
So what follows modifies what proceeds.

Title p67 "placing terrain "
All terrain elements are either "defender places" or "player places "
Note no defining how they are placed

Next title "placing a river or coastal zone " then says how that is done

Next title p68 " placing the village " then says how that is done.

Next title "placing other terrain elements " makes only exception to be see in excluding roads says how to place "each of the other terrain elements "
Ie other as in not river ,coastal or village as those are already covered.
Compulsory is just another other from the terrain type table p67

Next title "Road" places the excepted element.

We therefore have at 1234 order of how to place but have to go back to "placing terrain " to get the sequence correct as compulsory element may restrict water placement.

Basically to save repeating writing out dicing placement rules twice.

Long winded I know but hope it helps
Richard
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[ethan]

[Dickstick]

Hi ethan
Where in FAQ version 10-08-2016 would that be?
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[Commodore]

[ethan]

http://www.artdelaguerre.fr/download/FAQ_AdG_EN_15-07-2015.pdf

I can't hunt in down in the somewhat disjointed current one. It is under setting up.

[PHGamer]

Ethan,
I have looked at the 2015 attachment under Setting Up and still do not see it. What am I missing?
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Phil
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[Ramses II]

Hi guys. Dickstick and Commodore have the correct explanation. The answer is in the way the rules are laid out / presented and not in the FAQ.

"Placing terrain" gives the general process and order of terrain placement, the following sections provide the details for particular parts of that process.

"Placing other terrain elements" refers back to the placement of the village and coast / river, which are just placed on one or other side of the table. So 'other terrain' includes the compulsory element. All these terrain pieces are diced for and may end up being placed anywhere on the table.

Ideally these three sections might have been presented differently, perhaps as bullet points in a single section.

[Kal5056]

The mistake most people make is that they fail to realize that the process of rolling for the random location of a terrain please is how you "Place" it

Gino

[plefebvre]