Art De La Guerre

[muz177]

Enemy Impetuous HC (C) in a group 5 wide charge a series of units including foot (A) and evading cavalry (B). The charge was not uncontrolled but was spontaneous (ie within 1UD).

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AABB

The friendly cavalry evaded. 2 of the impetuous cavalry contacted the foot. The question is can the other impetuous cavalry (1 or all 3) stop in support providing an overlap, or do they need to continue to the end of their charge move?

P36 says "once the charge has started, the group advances straight ahead in the specified direction and only stops if it encounters an enemy, an obstacle, or the edge of the table".
"Continuing a charge is optional except for impetuous units in which case it is compulsory."
P40 "an impetuous unit must continue its charge for the full adjusted distance"

The confusion arose as does meeting the corner of an enemy count as meeting a new enemy, possibly allowing the adjacent unit to stop and provide support.

P40 allows impetuous units making an uncontrolled charge to stop when they contact an enemy, are in a position to support a friendly unit in melee, or haved moved their full distance. But this was not an uncontrolled charge.

We judged that the impetuous units needed to continue their charge, and could not stop to be in support of the units which had contacted the foot elements. Apart from finding no support in the rules to allow the units to stop, the impetuous units would not know whether or not they would catch the evading units.

were we correct?

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[Dazedmw]

My take would be you end up something like this;

CCC
AA
.....CC

The cav that contacts the enemy stops where it can offer support. The cav that don't contact enemy have to complete their charge.

[Zoltan]

For the impetuous cavalry unit that stops in support:
1. Is it obliged to stop in front corner to corner contact with the target, or
2. Can it slide along the target’s side edge so that it is in a position to quarter turn onto the target’s flank in it’s next turn?

[muz177]

So if I had thrown short, and the charging cavalry long (say) so that they could have caught the evading cavalry, they would have charged home and into contact, but if I throw long and him short (or whatever so he doesn't catch) then he would end up missing contact but has another option, which is to stop in support (shortly after starting the charge).

That doesn't make sense to me.

[lionelrus]

[lionelrus]

[Ballista]

It's not an uncontrolled charge that only comes after all other movement and if impetuous troops within charge range of enemy units which are eligible targets have not been given a CP to do something.
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In this case the best answer is the last one - sequence should probably have been
1. Spontaneous charge by every unit except one that was able to offer support to other units already in melee with infantry
2. Then spend 1CP and move remaining cavalry unit adjacent to enemy infantry to offer support to melee - should only coast 1CP even though they didn;t move full distance as they ended in support to a melee and under new FAQ interpretations it would have been able to slide forward and end side/side contact with enemy infantry when it did this move (then if melee was still going next turn it would have been able to turn onto the flank with all ramifications of that)

[Ramses II]

[Ballista]

Doesn't the new FAQ from 1/9/18 say units don't have to stop at first contact ie corner/corner and anymore but are allowed to move into side/side contact in the first move the come into contact ?

Why would impetuous troops given a CP be any different ?

[plefebvre]

It seems that there is some confusion between different mechanisms :
1-The charge move stops once contact with the enemy is made (even in support situation by cornar to cornar contact and even for impetuous troops) p 36.
2- Once a friendly unit is already engaded in mêlée, another unit can move to provide support . That can be done by normal move (page 50)
3- In a charging group , units who have not contacted an enemy can continue their charge up to their maximum movement (or they must do it if impetuous)
4- Consequently in the following situation where ABCDE are 5 different units facing XYZ which are 3 enemy units :

ABCDE


XYZ

If ABCDE charge as a group ,ABC engage XYZ into mêlée , D must stop in cornar to cornar support situation, and E has the option to continue its charge if it is non impetuous, it must continue its charge if impetuous.


If the player wishes to place D directly in overlap situation against Z in order to attack it by flank during the next turn, then he must pay 1 CP to charge with ABC and afterwards pay another CP to move D (and possibly also E) in overlap support position along Z's flank


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[Zoltan]

So D has two choices:

1. Charge with ABCD as a group. In this case it will stop in corner to corner contact with Z. It does not matter whether D is impetuous or not.

2. Does NOT charge with ABCD but instead wishes to slide along the flank of Z into a support position for C. In this case it will cost additional CP:
- 1 CP if D is not impetuous
- 2 CP if D is impetuous (and not moving it’s full movement distance)

[Three]

I think the cost is 1 CP for either of the options under 2. - as long as the impetuous unit ends up in contact/support it isn't a difficult manoeuvre and so costs only 1 CP.