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Mark G Fry
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Inscrit le: 15 Juin 2017 Messages: 574
Localisation: Bristol, UK
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Posté le: Dim Déc 23, 2018 10:51 pm Sujet du message: Peasants Revolts Army List |
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I am currently working on a Peasants Revolts army list - that will allow players to have the option to field a number of different western medieval peasants revolts armies (excluding Hussites - which have their own list of course).
I put together a similar list for Armati many years ago, that was deemed to be a success - which had a core of Levy types and then options that allowed a player to field a HYW French 'Jacquerie' army, or an English 'Wat Tylers' revolt army (1381) or even a German Peasants War list - although I know the latter is a bit late for Art De La Guerre (being 1524 - 1525) but it is a fun option.
None were ever competition winners but they allowed players to create interesting historical match-ups. It also allowed an army with a significant break-point that was actually a much tougher opponent than it initially looked
Can anybody come up with other 'medieval' peasant rebellions I might have missed ? Any in Scandinavia or Iberia or Italy for example?
Many thanks
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Mark G Fry
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Inscrit le: 15 Juin 2017 Messages: 574
Localisation: Bristol, UK
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Posté le: Lun Déc 24, 2018 12:02 am Sujet du message: |
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A starter list
Medieval Peasants Revolts
Terrain: Plains, Forest
Command: 2
• 8 - 60 x Levy @ 3pts
• 0 - 40 - downgrade to mediocre to reflect timid or hesitant rebels @ - 1pt
• 0 - 3 (ex-ribaulds & soldiers): MF sword, mediocre @ 5pts
• 0 - 2 x Light Infantry – Bow @ 4pts
• 0 - 2 x Light Infantry – Xbow @ 4pts
• 0 - 1 x HC impact, mediocre @ 8pts
0 - 6 Field Fortifications @ 1pt
0 - 1 Fortified Camp @ 6pts
Option: HYW French ‘Jacquerie’ army
• 0 - 10 (Fanatic militants): upgrade Levy to impetuous @ 1pt
• 0 - 4 (Parisian Militia): HF spear @ 8pts
• 0 – 2 Add Pavice to spearmen @ 1pt
• 0 - 2 Add armour @ 2pt
• 0 - 2 (Parisian Militia): Crossbow @ 7pts
• Add Pavice to Crossbows @ 1pt
Parisian Militia must be formed up in a separate Division from the rest of the army
Option: English Peasants Revolt (Wat Tyler’s Rebellion etc.)
• 0 - 6 (Bands with a mix of LB and other mixed weapons): HF sword/bow @ 10pts
• 0 - 6 (Cornish Rebels): upgrade Levy to impetuous @ 1pt
Cornish Rebels must be formed up in a separate Division from the rest of the army
Option: German Peasants War
• 0 - 4 Pike, mediocre (unemployed soldiers) @ 8pts
• 0 - 4 HF spear, mediocre (peasants armed with pikes) @ 6pts
• 0 – 1 (unemployed soldiers) LF Handgun @ 4pts
• 0 - 1 (Town Militia): Crossbow @ 7pts
• 0 - 1 (Town Militia): HF sword HCW @ 9pts
• 0 - 1 (Retainers): LC, Xbow @ 6pts
• 0 - 1 (captured artillery) Light Artillery, mediocre @ 5pts
Only one Option above can be used in any one army. |
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madaxeman
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Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1599
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Posté le: Lun Déc 24, 2018 12:21 am Sujet du message: |
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You’re not just about to release a 15mm “Late Medieval Armed Civilians†figure range by any chance, are you Mr Fry?  _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Mark G Fry
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Posté le: Lun Déc 24, 2018 10:12 pm Sujet du message: |
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No - but an interesting thought Tim
But I do have a lot of painted (& unpainted) 28mm assorted medieval peasants that I have accumulated over the years, that need a reason to exist in my wargames cupboard.
In fact, after working out a few armies - I think that the list above is significantly "undergunned" - as in reality you should be able to field 0-100 Levy, mediocre @ 2pts per unit + 3 x Average Generals - giving you an army with a BP of 100. You could make your Average Generals all Unreliable as well - thus giving yourself another 9pts to play with (or another 4 more bases of peasants or a couple of LF bows for variety).
So that's c.500 peasant figures + (say 3 or 4 per command base) - a bargain if you can find enough 1/72nd scale plastic peasants.
But I suspect you'd only ever get winning draws at best
Although at Virtus'18 Ian Speed did rather well with his 36BP Persian army that was mostly mediocre. So not as mad a scheme as it might look at first glance.
As a well known mustachioed peasant general was once misquoted as saying : "quantity has a quality of its own"!
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Bluesqull
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Inscrit le: 13 Jan 2018 Messages: 10
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Posté le: Dim Fév 03, 2019 12:18 pm Sujet du message: Peasants peasants and more peasants |
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We tried out your peasant revolt chaps at the historical clash at Mello 10th June 1358. As a result of a night or knight of beer and skittles we have made some army list suggestions.
Basically life is too short for anyone to accumulate enough hits to beat this lot......but that shouldn’t stop anyone. Essentially though the army hangs off the dedicated rebel core and the rest are canon fodder. The game was a hoot.... 200 point French HYW v 200 points of peasants break point 80 something. We were recovering from 47 degree C a couple days before so as the night was a mere 36C we gamed on the patio surrounded by weird noises and lots of beer... and oddly some vegemite and cheese Shapes biscuits in the shape of small maps of Australia.
Hopefully this is a link to a game report. With thanks to mr madaxeman as an inspiration for humour....there were some great peasant jokes but we couldn’t remember most of them. If it doesn’t work let me know. We have some information about other peasant revolts that might form the core of some more options.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pao8DnxK-nVb7K-FCs4Ex0kXHiDPB6ZK/view?usp=drivesdk
Here are some suggestions for your list
Medieval Peasants Revolts
Terrain: Plains, Forest
Command: 2
Levy may not be rallied
Core must not exceed 30% of original points
Option: HYW French ‘Jacquerie’ army
Core
• 0 - 10 (Fanatic militants): Levy impetuous @ 4pts
• 0 - 4 (Parisian Militia): HF spear @ 8pts
• 0 - 2 Add armour @ 2pt
• 0 - 2 (Parisian Militia): Crossbow @ 7pts
• Add Pavice to Crossbows @ 1pt
Core must be formed up in a separate Division from the rest of the army
Revolting peasants
• 0 - 2 (ex-ribaulds & soldiers): MF sword, mediocre @ 5pts
• 0 - 2 x Light Infantry – Xbow @ 4pts
• 0 - 2 x Press-ganged or sympathetic gentry or coerced retainers HC impact, mediocre @ 8pts
• Remainder of points Peasant Levy @ 3pts
• Downgrade 2/3rds to mediocre to reflect timid or hesitant rebels @ - 1pt
0 - 6 Field Fortifications @ 1pt
0 - 1 Fortified Camp @ 6pts
Option: English Peasants Revolt (Wat Tyler’s Rebellion etc.)
Core
• 0 - 6 (Bands with a mix of LB and other mixed weapons): HF sword/bow @ 10pts
• 0 - 6 (Cornish Rebels): Levy impetuous @ 4pts
Core must be formed up in a separate Division from the rest of the army
Revolting peasants
• 0 - 2 x Light Infantry – Xbow @ 4pts
• 0 - 2 x Press-ganged or sympathetic gentry or coerced retainers HC impact, mediocre @ 8pts
• Remainder of points Peasant Levy @ 3pts
• Downgrade 2/3rds to mediocre to reflect timid or hesitant rebels @ - 1pt
0 - 6 Field Fortifications @ 1pt
Option: German Peasants War
Core
• 0 - 4 Pike, mediocre (unemployed soldiers) @ 8pts
• 0 - 4 HF spear, mediocre (peasants armed with pikes) @ 6pts
• 0 – 1 (unemployed soldiers) LF Handgun @ 4pts
• 0 - 1 (Town Militia): Crossbow @ 7pts
• 0 - 1 (Town Militia): HF sword HCW @ 9pts
• 0 - 1 (Retainers): LC, Xbow @ 6pts
• 0 - 1 (captured artillery) Light Artillery, mediocre @ 5pts
Core must be formed up in a separate Division from the rest of the army
Revolting peasants
• 0 - 2 (ex soldiers): MF sword, mediocre @ 5pts
• 0 - 2 x Light Infantry – Xbow @ 4pts
• 0 - 2 x Press-ganged or sympathetic gentry or coerced retainers HC impact, mediocre @ 8pts
• Remainder of points Peasant Levy @ 3pts
• Downgrade 2/3rds to mediocre to reflect timid or hesitant rebels @ - 1pt
0 - 6 Field Fortifications @ 1pt
0 - 1 Fortified Camp @ 6pts |
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Black Prince
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Inscrit le: 17 Oct 2016 Messages: 299
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It is the first game I have played were use of peasants as Ablative armour actually worked. |
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ethan
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Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 354
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This probably works better as a "list" with some modifications to get the BP down to the 28-30 range. Game is not designed to handle BP of 80... |
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Bluesqull
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Quite correct. One thought is to make the peasants expendable ( or at least a considerable part of then ) therefore the army would only have a break point equal to its core rebels . |
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Snowhitsky
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Inscrit le: 15 Juin 2015 Messages: 224
Localisation: Lancaster, UK
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Bluesqull a écrit: | Quite correct. One thought is to make the peasants expendable ( or at least a considerable part of then ) therefore the army would only have a break point equal to its core rebels . |
Which i would keep out of harm's way in a scond line or in terrain... |
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kevinj
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Localisation: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, UK
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Posté le: Mer Fév 06, 2019 8:54 am Sujet du message: |
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Citation: | One thought is to make the peasants expendable |
I don't think that fits this type of army. If the peasants see large numbers of their colleages being ridden down they are more likely to become disheartened. I think Mediocre is a better fit for the less enthusiastic peasants. |
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