Art De La Guerre

[Hazelbark]

This is just a clean up notice, following up on the posting about "pursuit".

It would be worth adding this to FAQ as it is played differently in other rules.

Case #1
Units 1 and 2 are charging down at enemy. B is going to evade.

12

B
C

Now units 1 and 2 ONLY had the target of B when they started. Therefore regardless of their speed they will roll an adjusted distance, since all targets have charged. (i.e. they might roll -1 UD and not contact C)

Case#2
This is the more complicated case for some. Again 1 and 2 are charging and B is evading. However now, 2 could "continue the charge" page 36. And for the same CP cost strike D, even if B does not evade.

12

B
CD

So if B evades, what is the requirement for an "adjusted move distance" roll?

Based on the point in the "pursuit" topic and considering the fact that the initial "target" of the group charge is B, I believe the adjustment roll is required.

[Commodore]

[lionelrus]

remember:
if the taget evade and the charher is not impetuous, the charger only have to charge by 1UD is foof, 2Ud if mounted.[/list]
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[Uncle Meat]

I disagree with the Commodore. If in case#2 units 1,2 are of the same type, for example HI. AND if their normal move could reach enemies C,D. They declare a charge and a direction (p.36). All enemy units in their way become targets. Some, like unit B may want to evade. If B does not evade, Unit 1 will attack it. Unit 2 can either stop to be an overlap if it meets the minimum move requirement or press on to face C,D alone. If it chooses the later, no extra command point is required. As stated on page 38 in regards to continuing charges "This could cause the group to become separated but the CP cost does not change."

If B evades, the chargers do not roll a variable roll since two of the targets in their charge range, C,D have not evaded and therefore they just move forward together and fight C,D.

If B, C, and D all evaded, THEN Units 1,2 would roll a single die for a variable move.

[Viking709]

It is my considered opinion that when declaring a charge which can reach a battle line with skirmishes out front that no variable is needed.
It states that a variable roll is required when all opponents flee
In this case the heavy foot can not evade and in charge reach
Pursuit does not apply here as no opponent is broken

Can any of the more experienced player shed some light on this

[lionelrus]

[Viking709]

Lionel. Thank you for responding

Where does this get covered in the rules or is this just how you play it

It seems to me that if X is the attacker and can charge B enemy battle line which is on charge range and S is the skirmishes which have to evade why would X have to make a variable when it declares a charge against an the enemy battle line

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Thanks

[Uncle Meat]

Viking you are right. On Page 36 under charge movement you only have to indicate the direction of a charge. "Before charging, the player must indicate to his opponent the exact direction of his charge." All enemy units within the normal movement of the chargers are potential targets depending on whether they are able to evade, or become reachable by the evade of a screening friendly unit.

This discussion depends upon your intent. If you want to fight the enemy battle line the skirmishers MUST evade. If you do NOT want to fight the battle line, no roll is needed (unless impetuous) since you can choose to move the minimum distance instead.

In Lionelrus's example, if you charge the skirmishers a roll is needed only if the other troops were un-reachable by Viking's battle line in normal movement.

Uncle Meat

[belinconnux]

[lionelrus]

But you may alway chooe, if you are not impétuous, to make a 1 ud charge moove if foot, or 2 UD charge moove if mounted.
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[lionelrus]

[belinconnux]

[lionelrus]

[Hazelbark]

Let me try and make choices clear.
This question is about when a charger must roll the adjusted move distance.
distance de mouvement ajusté



H = Chinese HC charging.

L = Arab LI 2 UD from HC.

B = Arab Bowmen 4 UD from HC.

Answer #1
H is within 4 UD of B. It can it declare B the target. L must evade. Since it is still within 4 UD and its target has not evaded, then there is no adjusted move distance.

Answer #2
H cannot declare B the target because L is in the way. So when L evades since that was the target of the charge there MUST be an adjusted move distance roll.

[belinconnux]

OK
for me the good answer is the answer 2.
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