Art De La Guerre

[Nostrebor]

Is this the correct way to for the heavy spear to go into support for the heavy spear that is fighting the elephant

1 Initial Position (on my work bench ) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzchTpUe1t2-SEpTZkVZcllnTk0/view?usp=sharing

2) Make corner to side contact (but it is not a legal flank attack): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzchTpUe1t2-b01HeFA5N0w1cDQ/view?usp=sharing

3) Conform to a legal support position: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzchTpUe1t2-OVJkY21SbmY5MXc

[Nostrebor]

How do you / Can you embed photos in the post.

[Hazelbark]

yes

[belinconnux]

You can't have a side support in this case. Cause you can't realise a pivot by rear.
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[chris6]

Hmm...i think you pivot the wrong way.

I would pivot so that the frontside of the supporting spear is aligned to the side of the elephant but only giving support not the whole sidecharge effect because its not a legal side charge.

as belinconnux says you can not pivot backwards.
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[alberto]

I see the question in another wiew

I'll advance the Spearmen 1,5 UD, then wheel to align the front with the other two units and shift to conform flank to flank with other friendly unit giving support

[chris6]

Good Idea. Looks good.
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[Hazelbark]

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[Nostrebor]

[Hazelbark]

I think your explanation fits the rules for conforming.

If you say this contact is not allowed by the "types of contact" p 51

I would say that is allowed per p 52 "can always contact to provide for support"

If you make p51 the only way, then it massively restricts the ability of units to get into support. As it would forbid moving past someone's front edge in support because you could not slide straight forward to touch a side.

[Ramses II]

I have been re-reading the comments here, and hope the following is correct:-

1. Conforming is stated as being "used to align opposing units corner to corner in order to simplify the resolution of melee". Consequently I believe you can only conform as part of a charge or movement within a melee, not as part of moving into support.
   
   
2. Nostrebor, I think Bellinconnux is correct that you may not pivot as shown in your diagram, because the unit has to perform 'legal' movements during both standard movement and also when conforming (after a charge).
   
   However I believe the unit could pivot clockwise forwards (with a small slide right) which would leave the unit in flank-flank contact with the front edge beyond the rear of the elephant. Equally the unit could stop short of the elephants, pivot clockwise and then slide left into contact.
   Either would still constitute "support" per the third bullet of Support.
   
   
3. Chris suggests conforming by pivoting anti-clockwise and sliding left to bring the unit's front edge into contact with the elephant's flank.
   I think this is an 'illegal contact' because it is not permitted to make a flank charge from a position in advance of the enemy's front edge.
   Consequently the comments about ignoring the flank charge effects are superfluous
   
   
4. Alberto's manoeuvre to align the support with the other unit of spears is correct and forms a group for future turns.
   
   
5. Finally, if had the unit started further forward in a position to make a legal charge into flank contact, it raises the point that the player can choose whether to move into support or flank charge and conform (provided the conforming movement does not exceed 1UD )

[Hazelbark]

Ramses II

add this one to your thinking
p 52 contact restrictions

"A unit can always contact an enemy to provide support if the enemy is already engaged in melee..."

[Ramses II]

I am not sure what you are suggesting here. Please could you elaborate further.
All I said was that a unit cannot 'conform' as part of a move that puts it in support. I believe Conforming is reserved for charging and melees that let the unit "engage" the enemy.

[Hazelbark]