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Stephen
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 2:33 am    Sujet du message: Deployment Répondre en citant
May one deploy one corps directly behind another corps so long as the areas where units are mapped to be placed do not overlap? Or must one deploy successive corps strictly from left to right? I do not understand what the prohibition on deployment areas overlapping means.
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footslogger
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 2:41 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
It's left-to-right only. Hopefully that will show up in the next iteration of the FAQ....
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Stephen
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 2:59 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Merci pour votre response si vite.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 9:25 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
In fact you don't have to deploy yours corps from left to right or right to left. You can deploy center corps then left then right or another order. You just have to never overlap the deployment of different corps.
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Ramses II
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 3:30 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I had difficulty with this as well.

P71, sequence of deployment, states that the corps must be entirely "deployed in a rectangular zone in command range of their commander",without specifying the depth of the "rectangular zone"

The "zone" can be as wide as necessary, but is considered to cover the entire depth of the deployment zone at that point of the battlefield, and must not overlap any other corps zone.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 5:24 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
belinconnux a écrit:
In fact you don't have to deploy yours corps from left to right or right to left. You can deploy center corps then left then right or another order. You just have to never overlap the deployment of different corps.


Yes, this is better said than what I said.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 7:42 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
There is no definition of the depth of a deployment zone in the English version. However on page 69 under battle plan, the description of relative positions is limited to center, right wing, and left. The implication is that deployment of corps must be organized in terms of center, right wing, and left wing with no overlap of these wings whatever overlap implies.
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Mick Hood
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 9:30 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
It is not limited to centre, right and left. it is given as an example.
I have read the author's intent else where on the forum (left/centre/right). But that is not what the rules say. Neither is it in the FAQ. So the rule book has to stand. Every or almost every player has a rule book. But they don't all read everything posted on here and they are not psychic.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 01, 2016 10:34 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Reading e.g. As indicative of only an example is probably using too literal an interpretation of the grammar. Assuming arguendo that you are correct in your understanding of the sophistication of the French to English transliteration, what is the rule?
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daveallen
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MessagePosté le: Mar Aoû 02, 2016 7:23 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Mick Hood a écrit:
It is not limited to centre, right and left. it is given as an example.
I have read the author's intent else where on the forum (left/centre/right). But that is not what the rules say. Neither is it in the FAQ. So the rule book has to stand. Every or almost every player has a rule book. But they don't all read everything posted on here and they are not psychic.

Other examples would be left/right/right-flank-march; I/II/III/IV; A/B/C/D/E/F. In 200, 300 & 400 point games respectively.

We can argue over whether the example is permissive or restrictive, but that's not really the point. The point is that a permissive interpretation allows players to use floating commands to avoid specifying their position at deployment.

Since that would be a "bad thing" then we should adopt the restrictive interpretation which only permits side by side deployments. No?
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Ramses II
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MessagePosté le: Mar Aoû 02, 2016 10:12 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
For what it's worth, the same questions were raised last year here, and expanded to cover the placement of Ambushes relative to the placement of corps commands.

I agree that this need to be added to the FAQ, because the wording in the (English) rules is not sufficiently clear. They do not explicitly state the requirement for the corps and related Ambushes to be placed side-by-side, despite the responses on these forums provided by El Creator or the rules committee.
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Mick Hood
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MessagePosté le: Mar Aoû 02, 2016 11:50 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I agree about floaters Dave. Though not everybody is going to try and use them, or even to have thought about using them. To be honest it is moderately easy to create the effect at 200 points with 3 commands anyway.

Bottom line is no matter how many times left/ centre/ right is stated on here it is only a suggestion until something official is published.

And yes Dave I will deploying the suggested way at Britcon.
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daveallen
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Aoû 04, 2016 11:11 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
So, Mick, do you fancy a practice game Friday afternoon?

Dave
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Mick Hood
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Aoû 04, 2016 11:55 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Yes mate. You give me a time and I will check the train times.
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daveallen
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Aoû 04, 2016 1:51 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
My trains get to piccadilly on the hour, as do some of yours (roughly).

13:30 would allow for a slow waddle from the station and give us time to check into Trump Towers after finishing and before the serious pickling starts.

Dave
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