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daveallen
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Posté le: Mar Aoû 02, 2016 6:57 am Sujet du message: Pursuit |
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So:
XA
B
Units X and B are in front edge to front edge contact, unit A is in front edge contact with the flank of unit X.
Unit X routs.
Which of A and B can pursue?
And why / why not?
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JohnTheBoring
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Posté le: Mar Aoû 02, 2016 9:22 am Sujet du message: |
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B as it is fighting. A is in support. |
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daveallen
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Thanks, makes sense too
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Ramses II
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Posté le: Mar Aoû 02, 2016 9:42 am Sujet du message: |
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According to Pursuit p62 fourth para, either unit can pursue. Citation: | If several units are in melee with the same enemy, only one of the units can pursue. The unit that pursues is chosen by the controlling player. |
P50 defines Melee, and specifies that both A & B in the above example are 'in melee' with X because they are both in front edge contact with the enemy.
So to describe the units:-
B is in melee and is also the 'Main unit' for Melee resolution.
A is in melee, but considered to be 'in support' for Melee resolution. |
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Hazelbark
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Furthermore either can pursue regardless of whom is impetuous. |
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Stephen
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Posté le: Mar Aoû 02, 2016 5:23 pm Sujet du message: |
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P 62 provides that supporting units can also advance the same distance providing they are aligned corner to corner with the pursuing unit and have the same facing. My take is that A can't pursue |
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footslogger
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Stephen a écrit: | P 62 provides that supporting units can also advance the same distance providing they are aligned corner to corner with the pursuing unit and have the same facing. My take is that A can't pursue |
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I don't see how A can't pursue follows at all from the assertion that supporting units can also pursue?
The text on p62 that Ramses quotes is explicit that either unit can pursue. |
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Stephen
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Actually, the next paragraph cited by Ramses is not so clear as you assert. Ramses reference paragraph does not mention supporting units at all.
The paragraph I cite seems to set up conditions precedent for supporting unites to pursue. A and B do not have the same facing. Ergo, Unit A does not meet the conditions precedent to pursuit in the paragraph that I cite.
I do not understand what Footslogger fails to see. |
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footslogger
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Stephen a écrit: | Actually, the next paragraph cited by Ramses is not so clear as you assert. Ramses reference paragraph does not mention supporting units at all.
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It doesn't have to. You have several units in melee with the same unit. By definition one of them will be a supporting unit. So, if either of them can pursue, it can be the one in melee or one of the ones supporting.
Stephen a écrit: | The paragraph I cite seems to set up conditions precedent for supporting unites to pursue. A and B do not have the same facing. Ergo, Unit A does not meet the conditions precedent to pursuit in the paragraph that I cite.
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For units supporting the pursuing unit, not for units supporting in the melee. |
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Stephen
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Duh? ??? |
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fdunadan
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if you have 1 (or 2) unit next to you and providing support, they can advance:
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ABC
B is in melee vs X and A&C are providing support to B. if X is routed, B can advance and A and/or C can advance too, but A alone or C alone cannot advance.
CXA
_B
A,B and C are all in frontal contact vs X. if X is routed, only one of A,B or C can advance
more clear? _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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footslogger
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Stephen a écrit: | Duh? ??? |
I'm glad you understand it now.... |
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Stephen
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As a well known pin head, I reserve the right to be pig headed as well |
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Wagmestre
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Ramses is right: page 62, both can pursue.
Hazelbark a écrit: | t;]Furthermore either can pursue regardless of whom is impetuous. |
Impetuous MUST poursuit.
So if one is impetuous not the other, the impetuous one has to pursue, if none does before. (corrected after further post of Ramses... !)
If both are impetuous, return to first case: the player choose.
Dernière édition par Wagmestre le Mer Aoû 03, 2016 1:48 pm; édité 1 fois |
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Ramses II
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 03, 2016 12:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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Wagmestre, this particular question was answered in the latest FAQ on p9
Where there are multiple units able to pursue, the player can choose which unit will pursue, even if one of them is Impetuous.
Dernière édition par Ramses II le Mer Aoû 03, 2016 2:52 pm; édité 2 fois |
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