Mike Bennett
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| navigator a écrit: | P42 for a charge units must contact enemy ..even with a single corner...so the example has a legal contact.
Terrain means no conformation till next bound by the charge receiver .simples...
No need to over complicate things. |
I agree a corner only is a legal contact. However that does not remove the need to conform, and that can be into terrain, see page 54. |
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Hazelbark
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| Posté le: Lun Aoû 12, 2024 8:58 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Mark G Fry a écrit: | This then raises a separate but associated question.
If the attacking unit of MF swd is not forced to align to the front edge of the Bowman, to avoid the penalizing terrain, what happens in the next bound?
If the Bowmen survives the initial melee, is it now forced to align to the front edge of the MF swd, thus putting its back edge into the penalizing terrain and fighting at a forced disadvantage. Which seems a bit odd.
Or are both units left to fight as they initially made contact, until the melee is resolved? |
p 50 you do not ever have to conform into penalizing terrain. So they remain unconformed unless someone chooses to conform by choice. |
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Mike Bennett
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| Hazelbark a écrit: |
p 50 you do not ever have to conform into penalizing terrain. So they remain unconformed unless someone chooses to conform by choice. |
On page 54 "... B is forced to enter the penalising terrain"
Oh sorry, I thought this was about the charging unit, I did not realise it was responding to the subsequent line up in the defenders turn.
Dernière édition par Mike Bennett le Mar Aoû 13, 2024 8:43 am; édité 2 fois |
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Lun Aoû 12, 2024 9:21 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Should p 54 be read as being compulsory to enter the terrain if you choose to conform, but being that conforming when entering penalizing terrain is optional (p 50, 5th bullet), you can simply chose not to conform? |
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Neep
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Dan is addressing Mark's question about the subsequent melee phases.
I think what is missed is that the defender cum attacker (the Bowmen in Mark's example) are already being penalized, so aligning is not going to make things any worse for them.
Although one could construct a situation with camels or elephants and brush, etc. which would impose a penalty for conforming on a subsequent melee phase.
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Mark G Fry
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| Posté le: Mar Aoû 13, 2024 7:46 am Sujet du message: |
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| Neep a écrit: | Dan is addressing Mark's question about the subsequent melee phases.
I think what is missed is that the defender cum attacker (the Bowmen in Mark's example) are already being penalized, so aligning is not going to make things any worse for them.
Although one could construct a situation with camels or elephants and brush, etc. which would impose a penalty for conforming on a subsequent melee phase.
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Not quite Neep.
In the initial example, the Bowmen are not in the penalizing terrain (the Marsh) but deployed next to it. The MF swd charge the Bowmen, and make contact with a front corner on the front edge of the Bowmen's base (to avoid entering the Marsh).
The MF swd, cannot conform to the Bowmen as to do so would put a part of their base in the Marsh, disadvantaging them.
So, the whole melee remains static until it is resolved, as (per Dan's comments) the Bowmen do not have to conform to the front of the MF swd next turn, as to do so would disadvantage them (which is good to understand).
To Mike's point, if it was possible for the MF swd to be adjusted so that more of its base (other than the corner contact occurred) was in contact with the front edge of the Bowmen e.g. if there was room on the other side of the Bowmen to the Marsh, that would seem to potentially make sense, but I an not sure it is a compulsory move?
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