Art De La Guerre

[Ramses II]

Check the FAQ, p11 Evade adjusted move distance. 

To be allowed to evade, a unit must be declared “a target”. In the example provided the HI are declared to be the target as well as the LI, so there is no adjusted pursuit move as some targets did not evade. 

And in the example being discussed, the LC might be trapped in front of Impact Cavalry which cannot evade.
(Note, if that were the case the LC would be the only “targets” since the cavalry could not be contacted even if they were within charge distance).

[Hazelbark]

You cannot declare the target of charge which you cannot hit.

1 > A B

In the above example 1 will trigger A and its reaction to the charge; depending on its reaction B will then consider its reaction. It is clearly a sequence.

If A is unable to evade, then B does not react because it is not being contacted.


Now lets say 1 is HC and A is LI and B is MC. The sequence is still A reacts first then B. This is true even though A is known to have to evade.


Now people often conflate laying in the angle of a charge such that it will strike a specific unit, knowing the intervening unit must evade. But that is for clarity of game play, not the actual sequence.

Just had a game where I wanted to charge some LI, but I would have passed through a ZOC to do it and thus been unable to contact the LI. As much as I wanted to make the LI evade, it was not possible because of the sequence of how charges are done.

[Ramses II]

While I agree with the logic in principle, there is nothing in the rules about the sequence of evades,

So as far as I know, the choice is up to the defender. Using your example, if both were declared to be targets, I believe the MC could evade first followed by the LI, or visa versa. 

[Zoltan]

But back to the OP and Dan's reiteration of the key point - any unit that is NOT a target of the charge at the point it is declared because it is not able to be hit at that point in time, is NOT itself permitted to evade. Thus, a second line screened by intervening friends is NOT entitled to evade first in order to provide room for the intervening friends to now evade.

[Dickstick]

[Ramses II]

I want to have my cake and eat it

This is the point where we potentially hit the conundrum presented. As Zoltan presented earlier, the process states that all "targets" declare their evade intentions. So, assuming that the Cavalry are a legitimate target (because the LC can interpenetrate, or otherwise avoid them), then both LC and Cavalry make a choice to evade or not.
But, assuming that the LC choose to stand, then the Cavalry are no longer a legitimate target, so may not choose to evade . . .

While I agree that deciding to evade is sequential, I contend that the actual evade moves can be made in any order. So if they both decide to evade, the LC could move first, or the cavalry could be moved allowing the LC to move in a slightly different path.
However, where the LC are actually blocked by the cavalry to their rear, the LC cannot evade. In this case the cavalry are not a legitimate target, and consequently the cavalry may not evade.

The real question is whether the cavalry, being at an angle to the direction of the LC evade, actually block the path of the LC evade or not.

[Dickstick]

Until the LC interpenetrates the cavalry are not a target so it moves second.
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[Ramses II]

[Dickstick]

Yes the cavalry may be declared as targets.
But don't care until they are a target.
You wish people to run away from shadows?
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[Ramses II]

Like I said, the position is evaluated before decisions to charge or evade are made, so "No", the cavalry are not running from shadows.

[Zoltan]

And so once again we come full circle re the OP.

Because the cav are at an angle (i.e. not perfectly parallel to the LC), and within 1UD of the LC, the LC are NOT permitted to interpenetrate the cav (the rules do not permit the LC to wheel after their initial quarter/half turn to become perfectly parallel).

Thus the LC can not evade and remain screening the cav from the charge.

Because the cav are screened from the charge they have no right to evade in order to negate the “within 1UD obstacle rule” etc etc etc.

[Ramses II]

[Dickstick]

[Ramses II]

I disagree there

This whole question depends on whether the cavalry can be contacted 'legitimately', and that definition includes the concept of the LC evading - just like the FAQ example where the LI evade revealing some unit behind. If the LC can evade, the cavalry become a legitimate target, so they are permitted to choose to evade. But, these questions are determined before the charge is declared. Then, the target(s) are declared and those targets may decide to evade.

As I said earlier, if some of the targets decide to stand, that may prevent others from evading - but that should have been established beforehand. And proceeding this way also removes the conundrum described above.

[Hazelbark]

I think you are all jumping the shark and reverting to DBMisms where nonsensical stuff is justified in the name of allegedly non precise wording.

As someone posted the rear can evade when the front does not is just wrong.

Use some commonsense. I know commonsense was beaten out of all of us in WRG edition 563.2 but please lets take a stand for common sense.