Art De La Guerre

Mike Bennett

I never noticed this before, and wondered if this is widely understood and played.

“7 if not all targets evade
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Any units that do not contact the enemy must advance, following the rules set out in point 6, other than that their movement allowance is not adjusted”

“6 - If all initial targets evade
….
Non impetuous units should advance if possible at least 1UD for foot or 2UD for mounted”

It seems that even non impetuous charging groups may break up whit units that do not hit enemy forced to extend their move if they have not done the 1or 2ud minimum. If this reading is correct I been playing the rules wrong for years

SteveR · Prétorien Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 284

I think that the last bullet in step 6 may support how you (and I) have been playing it.

Once a charge makes contact with an enemy unit the charge stops. Even if the charge has not gone 2/1 UD

Then units which have not contacted an enemy may optionally or mandatorily continue as allowed/required in other steps.

Neep · Légionaire Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 130

Nope, not if some of the initial targets have evaded. It is a little odd that charging close ends up being penalized, but as they say, them's the rules.

Mike Bennett · Post� le: Lun Oct 02, 2023 6:05 am Sujet du message:

KevinD · Post� le: Lun Oct 02, 2023 3:40 pm Sujet du message:

I agree with Mike. The last bullet under 6, p 43 starts with “…the charge stops if the unit meets…” which reads as if it is adjudicated on a unit by unit basis. The units that meet the condition stop, the others continue to 1/2 UD or max move if Impetuous.

vexillia · Post� le: Lun Oct 02, 2023 4:02 pm Sujet du message:

This may help - https://www.artdelaguerre.fr/adlg/v3/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9591

Includes comments from Herve.
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Mike Bennett · Post� le: Lun Oct 02, 2023 4:23 pm Sujet du message:

vexillia · Post� le: Lun Oct 02, 2023 5:23 pm Sujet du message:

The group halts unless impetuous.
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Mike Bennett · Post� le: Lun Oct 02, 2023 5:39 pm Sujet du message:

vexillia · Post� le: Lun Oct 02, 2023 6:18 pm Sujet du message:

Read the case again. There are units not in contact that conform with those that are and therefore stop at first contact as part of the group. Distance moved is not important.
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Neep · Légionaire Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 130

I have to agree with Mike. Hervé was answering the question asked. He might have assumed the minimum charge had been met. He might have overlooked it. What he doesn't say is not a persuasive basis for a ruling.
(Wrong thread.)
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Dirty thought. Can the 1UD "maintain the group" allowance be used to move units straight back to connect??

daveallen · Post� le: Mar Oct 03, 2023 7:18 am Sujet du message:

Mike is right here [shudder Wink

]. No question was asked about minimum moves and Herve made no comment about it.

Dave
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vexillia · Post� le: Mar Oct 03, 2023 1:12 pm Sujet du message:

In that case I'll leave it to you gentlemen to seek resolution elsewhere. Razz

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SteveR · Prétorien Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 284

Most wise of you Martin.

In a US Court an Attorney might respond to continuation of this debate with "Objection. Asked and answered"

Ramses II · Post� le: Mar Oct 03, 2023 10:38 pm Sujet du message:

I have to agree with Mike.

The charging units that will make contact do so, conforming as required.
Other units in the group move as part of the group until contact is made. Then;
- If the group has moved the minimum movement distance, the other units in the group may stop unless they are impetuous.
- If the group has not moved its minimum distance, then yes, the other units have have to do so.

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