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PHGamer
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Inscrit le: 16 Juin 2016 Messages: 440
Localisation: Pennsylvannia
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Posté le: Sam Juin 22, 2024 11:02 pm Sujet du message: Exceptions to uncontrolled charge. |
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Page 46, Exceptions to uncontrolled charge.
An Impetuous unit is not required to make an uncontrolled charge in the following cases
Bullet points 1-11
If a unit is not "required", is that a choice? That the impetuous unit could make an uncontrolled charge if it wants to?
Or, is required mean a conditional requirement. That if the condition exists, the unit may not make an uncontrolled charge, but could make a normal charge if command points allowed.
An example. An impetuous unit has defeated his foe in a line and then pursues. On his next turn, the battles on the line continues, and the unit in question is providing melee support to two other battles. BUT there is a target unit in charge reach.
The first exception reads, "If the unit is already in melee or providing support to a friendly unit in melee".
So the impetuous unit is not required to make a uncontrolled charge. But can it declare an uncontrolled charge? _________________ Phil
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Lun Juin 24, 2024 10:29 am Sujet du message: |
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You can't choose to be uncontroled...If you choose, you are in control. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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PHGamer
Centurion

Inscrit le: 16 Juin 2016 Messages: 440
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Posté le: Lun Juin 24, 2024 11:02 am Sujet du message: |
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lionelrus a écrit: | Vous ne pouvez pas choisir d'être incontrôlé... Si vous choisissez, vous avez le contrôle! |
Thank you and I agree. In English the term "is not required" can mean something is optional, but not a hard "no". _________________ Phil
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Mark G Fry
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Inscrit le: 15 Juin 2017 Messages: 574
Localisation: Bristol, UK
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Posté le: Lun Juin 24, 2024 9:46 pm Sujet du message: |
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I'd agree with lionelrus here.
In your example, the unit in support would require a command to break from support and charge the unit to its front.
As it is already in support, it is exempt from an unconditional uncontrolled charge action.
Just my 3pence worth  _________________ 'He could have lived a risk-free, moneyed life, but he preferred to whittle away his fortune on warfare.' Xenophon, The Anabasis
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SteveR
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Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 369
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Posté le: Mer Juin 26, 2024 2:38 am Sujet du message: |
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PHGamer a écrit: | lionelrus a écrit: | Vous ne pouvez pas choisir d'être incontrôlé... Si vous choisissez, vous avez le contrôle! |
Thank you and I agree. In English the term "is not required" can mean something is optional, but not a hard "no". |
Phil, this is not quite the situation however.
For Impetuous troops they are required to charge if they have enemy in range.
Then there are exemptions listed where they are "not required" to charge.
However even in English the removal of the requirement to charge does not necessarily imply the ability to choose to make the charge. That is a stretch.
So "not required" can be a hard no even if it is not always a hard no.
In any case this has been thoroughly flogged, including a 20 minute phone conversation with Dennis today, and hopefully the heresy has been put to bed. |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum

Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2015 Messages: 1237
Localisation: London
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Posté le: Jeu Juin 27, 2024 2:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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One additional point; while impetuous troops are not required to charge under specific conditions, if they do charge the troops are still classed as impetuous so must complete their movement rather than stopping short |
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Zoltan
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Inscrit le: 18 Jan 2015 Messages: 500
Localisation: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posté le: Jeu Juin 27, 2024 3:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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An unfortunate hang-over from DBX days is the way many players lazily use the term “impetuous†as synonomous with “uncontrolled chargeâ€. Under ADLG, while related, these two terms mean different things.
Impetuous troops are ALWAYS impetuous.
Impetuous troops are ALWAYS subject to the specified movement rules.
Whether or not impetuous troops are required to make an uncontrolled charge DEPENDS on the specific tabletop scenario.
For example, just because an enemy is within charge range measured in a straight line, if there is no valid movement option that allows the impetuous unit to make contact with the enemy it shall not charge (uncontrollably). |
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