Art De La Guerre

[KevinD]

Suppose an impetuous mounted is 1.5 UD from an enemy LI, and there is an enemy elephant behind the LI (i.e., 2 UD in front of the Impetuous Mtd).

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If the Impetuous Mtd charge the LI (which must flee), must the Impetuous Mtd continue into the elephant behind?

P 43, #6 says they must move their full charge distance. But then #8 (2nd bullet) says ‘mandatory for all impetuous units but only if they would contact new enemy or they are pursuing evading units unless this would result in any of the “Exceotions to uncontrolled charges” (see p 46). This says (among other things “If the charge would cause a mounted unit to become subject to panic (see note).”

Doesthis mean the charging unit need not continue but instead stops short?

[SteveR]

Hi Kevin,

What is the target of the charge? The LI only or the El?

But notice it does not matter.

If the target was the LI then all targets have evaded and you perform step 6 Which makes you contact the elephant. Look at step 6 again - specifically the next to last bullet. Impetuous units may not stop at 2 UD but must continue their full move. So moving 2 UD makes them hit the elephant. They would do so even if the EL were 2.1 UD away.

and of course if you charge the elephant as a target then you contact it too.

Step 8 applies if not all targets evade. In this case those impetuous units which make contact or are in support stop and the remainder of the group then looks to see if they have to continue following the rules you cite

[Mike Bennett]

There is no impetuous charge as the unit would contact the elephant. On the other hand, if it chooses to charge, it must move at least 2ud, and so will contact the elephant, no voluntarily stopping short

[Hazelbark]

As Mike says. And this is clear in the text.

[KevinD]

Thanks everyone!

[Neep]

Kevin, I believe 8-2d bullet is covering a group charge with impetuous units.
Consider a line of 4 impetuous Cv.
Ahead of the 2d unit is MI close in. Ahead of the 4th unit is LH at some distance.
The group moves to strike the MI. Unit 2 is in melee with units 1 and 3 in support. Unit 4 has a new enemy, the LH, in range and so must continue its charge.

Now suppose instead of LH, it's El. That is an exception, so the unit 4 is no longer mandated to charge full distance. It can stay with the group or move any amount up to full distance, striking the El if it chooses.

Suppose it's LH in front of El. That is also an exception due to the possibility that the LH evade and unit 4 plows into the El. So again unit 4 can chose how far to advance. But if it does strike the LH, then the LH can evade, and now unit 4 must chase and so ends up plowing into the El.

[Zoltan]

1. There is no such thing as an “impetuous charge” under ADLG.

2. There are impetuous units - which are ALWAYS impetuous throughout the game.

3. Impetuous units are SOMETIMES required to make an uncontrolled charge.

4. Impetuous units that make a charge (regardless of whether it is uncontrolled, spontaneous, or paid for) are ALWAYS required to go their maximum charge distance “if possible” (sometimes in-game conditions may prevent this).

[Neep]

It is quite clear that impetuous units do not have to "continue" a charge if it would result in an "exception".
I must concede that it is moot if they do continue whether they have the option to halt short or must go full distance (and thus end up in the exception).

[Zoltan]

[SteveR]

[vexillia]

This previous discussion from Oct 2023 may help as might these diagrams from my blog:






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[SteveR]

Wait Martin - aren't you the one that objected to looking at facebook in another post? And you want me to go to blog to get clarification for the diagrams you posted?

I cant say if you are correct or not, but can confirm, after reading the notes on your blog, that your understanding of the matter is the same as mine.

that should worry you a little bit.

[vexillia]