Art De La Guerre

[MalcolmDove]

In a game today impetuous Nubian MI swordsmen charged Midianite Arab Medium Camel bows. The camels get a +1 against MI in the first round. Later the camels charged LMI javelins and LMI bows, but under the letter of the rules did not get the plus. This did not seem right as bows and peltast type are generally considered weaker in melee.
Did we miss something?

Malcolm

[sebastosfig]

I don't want to tell you anything wrong, though that would be logical. I've asked the question in French.
seb
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[Peter Webb]

Hi
Any clear answer on this as it came up in a game last week?

[Black Prince]

The Med camels are +2 vs the LMI +1. The Med camels and cav get an additional +1 in the first round if they are no impact.

[ethan]

If you look on P.13 "troop descriptions" you will see that there is a category:

Medium Infantry (MI and LMI)

which clearly indicates that LMI are also MI and so subject to the extra +1 when fighting non-Impact cavalry in teh first round.

[Peter Webb]

The problem came up when you look at cavalry +1 vs Mounted, LI, LMI, MI, levies.

Then it says +1 vs MI in first phase.

Now I take it to be Medium infantry as in MI + LMI, however others argue that because the previous line specifically calls out the subsections then as the second doesn't the +1 in the first phase doesn't apply to LMI.

I hope it's just a translation item, as it'd make sense to be MI + LMI in this instance.

[Black Prince]

It clearly states Bowmen LMI get +1 and separately Javelinmen LMI have zero base factor against mounted. MI factors have nothing to do with the second situation.

[Dickstick]

[quote="ethan"]If you look on P.13 "troop descriptions" you will see that there is a category:

Medium Infantry (MI and LMI)

which clearly indicates that LMI are also MI and so subject to the extra +1 when fighting non-Impact cavalry in teh first round.[/quote]

Apple and pear both are fruit.
But an apple is still not a pear.

MI and LMI and Medium are different definitions.
If you use MI and LMI as the same then why use two names for the same thing?
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[ethan]

If you read the rulebook it is clearly divided into sections defining base troop type categories things like "knights" or "medium infantry" these are things like "fruit." There are sub-groups within those categories like apples and pears or you know medium swordsmen and javelinmen.

Read the rules page 13.

[Dickstick]

So do you think 'medium infantry' and 'MI' are the same in these rules?
If so when do you think LMI and MI are different?
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[footslogger]

I think the first page of the FAQ makes it pretty clear that the +1 bonus applies against both MI and LMI....

[ethan]

[daveallen]

[ethan]

I disagree and believe this is simply from being obtuse in reading the rules and looking for confusion where none really exists.

That said I believe the only place in the rules this matters is the +1 cavalry get in the first round which is clarified in the FAQ.

[footslogger]