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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 10:37 pm Sujet du message: ZOC blocking or not? |
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When is a ZOC blocked?
How much of it is blocked?
In ZOC definition it says "units exert a ZOC through friendly...they can interpenetrate".
So clearly if you can't interpenetrate the ZOC is blocked.
How much?
consider Z and A both KN facing up. A is only 1/2 behind Z. But otherwise they are in base edge contact.
ZZZZ
__AAAA
1)Does A exert a full ZOC, a partial ZOC or no ZOC?
Where is you answer in the rules?
2) Let's assume AAAA is enemy. ZZZZ move to the current spot at stops not in contact.
The 5th bullet under "exceptions to ZOC" p 35 suggests A has a ZOC where Z does not completely block it.
(rule reads "unit entirely behind an intervening unit" which in this case would be Z.) |
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Soranon
Magister Militum
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Localisation: Toulouse
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 11:12 pm Sujet du message: |
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Look at your rulebook : There's no partial zoc at all. A unit is in zoc or not !
If a part of a unit is in zoc of another unit, it is "ZOCed"
This rule : Citation: | units exert a ZOC through friendly...they can interpenetrate | is used for troops behind LI for example. An Elephant behind a LI can take an opponent's unit in Zoc. The same for a Cavalery behind a LH or LI unit... |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 11:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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I understand a ZOC or not.
But can a ZOC due to be blocked, be other than a rectangle or square? |
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Soranon
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 11:36 pm Sujet du message: |
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A Zoc can be entirely blocked or not blocked. But if no part of a unit is in ZOC (because of a screen unit for example) it isn't in ZOC
An example :
AAA
...BBB
...XXX
Unit AAA is screen by unit BBB. So unit XXX doesn't take AAA in Zoc |
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ethan
Signifer
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 11:44 pm Sujet du message: |
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Maybe a bad picture will help...Is the elephant ZOCed or not?
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Soranon
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 11:54 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes  |
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chris6
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Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 8:58 am Sujet du message: |
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As far as I remember Horse can not interpenetrate horse, but Light horse. So in this example the horses closer to the elephant would block the ZOC of the horses in the back and therefor the elephant isnt ZOCed? |
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Commodore
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 9:49 am Sujet du message: |
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Poor knights ! _________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"
Cdr Farragut,Mobile 1864 |
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Soranon
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Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 10:02 am Sujet du message: |
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chris6 a écrit: | As far as I remember Horse can not interpenetrate horse, but Light horse. So in this example the horses closer to the elephant would block the ZOC of the horses in the back and therefor the elephant isnt ZOCed? |
In this case (the picture) cavalry behind the other cavalry take the elephant in ZOC and in return elephant take cavalry in ZOC.
Partialy ZOCed is ZOCed. |
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chris6
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Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 1:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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Ok, so a ZOC can be partially blocked by own bg. Got it! |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 5:33 pm Sujet du message: |
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Soranon a écrit: | chris6 a écrit: | As far as I remember Horse can not interpenetrate horse, but Light horse. So in this example the horses closer to the elephant would block the ZOC of the horses in the back and therefor the elephant isnt ZOCed? |
In this case (the picture) cavalry behind the other cavalry take the elephant in ZOC and in return elephant take cavalry in ZOC.
Partialy ZOCed is ZOCed. |
OK.
In this case where is this in the rules? I am pushing on this point, because this part is hard to find. |
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Rosbif
Signifer
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Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 6:57 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hazelbark a écrit: | In this case where is this in the rules? I am pushing on this point, because this part is hard to find. |
P35, fifth bullet point. An enemy ZoC is ignored by a unit located ... entirely behind an intervening friendly unit. Although not relating directly to your example, it shows that "partially blocked" is not blocked, or as Soranon put it, "Partially ZOCed is ZOCed". |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 7:02 pm Sujet du message: |
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Rosbif a écrit: | Hazelbark a écrit: | In this case where is this in the rules? I am pushing on this point, because this part is hard to find. |
P35, fifth bullet point. An enemy ZoC is ignored by a unit located ... entirely behind an intervening friendly unit. Although not relating directly to your example, it shows that "partially blocked" is not blocked, or as Soranon put it, "Partially ZOCed is ZOCed". |
I see that and will work from that. It should be added to clarifications at some point because it says "friendly" implying a different rule for "enemy".
But will operate as the same for now. Thank you. |
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