Art De La Guerre

[Nostrebor]

When a "Commander included in a Unit" charges and makes contact with the enemy is he considered immediately in combat or is he not in combat until the combat phase?

This is primarily to determine when the extra CP point for being in combat should apply; ie. does the extra CP apply for future commands this turn or only for commands for the next turn if still in contact.

I hope the second case, but I thought I would ask.

[Longtooth]

Page 50 (Melee) suggests that a unit is 'in melee' as soon as: (a) it is in contact with the enemy's front edge; or (b) it's front edge is in contact with the enemy.

On the basis of the above, I would suggest that the +1 CP modifier applies as soon as the general's stand makes contact with the enemy.

[Soranon]

You're rigth Longtooth !

As soon as the included general is in contact with the ennemy, you should apply the +1 CP modifier.

It's one of the weakness of included generals....

[Longtooth]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to include a general in a unit. This option comes with too many disadvantages for the sake of three points!

[Soranon]

I'm used to included my generals when I play Horse archers army. In this case it isn't a problem because my generals will dodge most of time and when I choose to go to figth, I always want my generals to take risk because I want to win quickly...

[CheyenneRock]

I agree with Soranon and also it allows some more points for an other unit and slightly increase the level of demoralization.
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[Soranon]

For horse archer's army, it's important to have the most unit you can... With my Gazhnevid army, I have only expensive troops like elite Elephant ou HC bow... So playing included general is a way to have 20 units and an init of +2 or +3

[CheyenneRock]

I used the same philosophy to compose my Huns Hephtalites.
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[Nostrebor]

I was planning on using an embedded ordinary general in the cataphracts of a Saka (Scythian) army. When the enter melee they either win or all die (at which point I don't need a general).

[chris6]

But keep in mind that your catas will not die in one round, you may get a chance to rally the one or the other cohesion point. with the general in melee it costs an extra point.

[chris6]

After reading the rules about rallying i am no sure anymore....

If a bg is in melee and the general who is in another bg is also in melee, do i have to pay 2 or 3 points for a rallying attempt for the bg without the general?

[Soranon]

If you want to rally a unit and if your general is in melee, it will cost you :

- 1 point (and the free point of your general) to rally the unit with your general

- 2 points to rally another unit not in figth (1 + 1 for general in fight)

- 3 points to rally another unit witch is in figth (1 +1 for unit in fight + 1 for general in fight)

So be carefull with included general witch cant choose to be or not in fight...

[chris6]

Thx for the quick answer, then i was right with my understanding and yes, its always tricky if the general is in the fight. But sometimes he have to, like in medieval armies! What a general is that who is not joining the charge of his knights in bright armour with colors flying in the wind?

[Soranon]