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ethan
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 26, 2015 2:28 am Sujet du message: Cohesion Point Loss |
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So some Medium and Light cavalry were charged in the rear/flanks by numerous cataphracts and light cavalry.
Everyone with an arrow charged in this turn. The light cavalry will turn to face the cataphract that hit it (first). We are not sure if it loses a cohesion point due to the light horse supporting the other cataphract that didn't initially hit its flank, but will be on its flank after the light horse conforms. |
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belinconnux
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 26, 2015 9:02 am Sujet du message: |
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No, a unit doesn't suffer a cohesion hit in this case. _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 26, 2015 11:29 am Sujet du message: |
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Why they didn't escape,? _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 26, 2015 11:43 am Sujet du message: |
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belinconnux a écrit: | No, a unit doesn't suffer a cohesion hit in this case. |
Not correct!
Rules P59 §3
the unit also lost a cohésion point if she is charged during the same phase by 2 ennemies on 2 differents faces. At least one of the ennemies must be a non light troop contacting by flank or rear and legaly conforming.
Translate from french by me, but clearly the order of contact doesn't count. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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belinconnux
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 26, 2015 4:03 pm Sujet du message: |
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I'm not agree but maybe I didn't understand the position.
The unit conform and when conforming get a second unit on the flanc. Is it a case of cohesion lost? No charge. _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 26, 2015 4:09 pm Sujet du message: |
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Has the catafract and light horse contacted in the same turn or not, the answer depends of that. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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ethan
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Posté le: Jeu Mar 26, 2015 11:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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lionelrus a écrit: | Has the catafract and light horse contacted in the same turn or not, the answer depends of that. |
Yes. |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Ven Mar 27, 2015 7:29 am Sujet du message: |
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ethan a écrit: | lionelrus a écrit: | Has the catafract and light horse contacted in the same turn or not, the answer depends of that. |
Yes. |
Contacts in the same tuRn? _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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belinconnux
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Posté le: Ven Mar 27, 2015 8:05 am Sujet du message: |
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The original question was : "is a unit whose conform after a flank attack and has after conformation unit in this front (the cause of conformation) AND a unit in this flanc cause of conformation, loose a cohesion point"?
I'm not sur to be clear ...
A unit whose put his flank against the front of an ennemy unit doesn't loose cohesion point. _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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Apa
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Posté le: Ven Mar 27, 2015 10:01 am Sujet du message: |
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Hi Ethan,
First of all, the “yellow†Lh must conform (turn to face) at the end of the turn the “arrow†CAT and LH contact him. It means the first combat phase occures in the photograph situation and the yellow LH will most certainly be destroyed before its conformation.
If the Lh is still alive, it must then turn to face the CAT in his own turn (or phase, don’t know the correct term in English). In my opinion he doesn’t lose any CP because of the LH on his flank because there is no charge.
And even if there’s a charge, don’t forget light troops don’t inflict (?) cohesion hit for flank/rear attack.
Sorry if not so clear, it’s not easy to explain in English !  |
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belinconnux
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Posté le: Ven Mar 27, 2015 2:21 pm Sujet du message: |
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But light troop inflicts cohésion hit only to light troops !
Si it's clear now. Because the yellow LH was charge by to face (back and side) in the same turn it loose a CP. But not another when it conform (if it survive of course ). _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Ven Mar 27, 2015 4:07 pm Sujet du message: |
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frenchies "speaking" togather should writte in french, n'est il pas... _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Ven Mar 27, 2015 7:09 pm Sujet du message: |
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The LC that is charging the yellow LC actually contacted it in the charge?
Or did it stop short like the photo seems to suggest? |
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ethan
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Posté le: Ven Mar 27, 2015 9:50 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hazelbark a écrit: | The LC that is charging the yellow LC actually contacted it in the charge?
Or did it stop short like the photo seems to suggest? |
It stopped short as in the photo, the other LC would conform to having its flank hit. |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Lun Mar 30, 2015 5:59 pm Sujet du message: |
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I do not believe you drop a level after the conform which comes after melee. |
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