Art De La Guerre

[Ackostokie]

A couple of doubts on flank march

1) When do you tell your opponent that you are attempting a flank march. My thought would be after you have deployed your other two corps on the table.

2) When do you tell your opponent which flank your corp is coming on to.

[lionelrus]

1) you only have to said he can't see the corps.
2) when you roll 5 our 6 (except in first riound)
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[Ackostokie]

Thanks for your reply.

I think the actual disclosing to your opponent that you are attempting a flank march is important. I know he cant see the corps, but if you tell him before he deploys his troops. He may use the information to deploy his troops in expectation to counter the flank march. Especially if one side is a coast or river so he knows for certain which side the flank march is arriving on.

[Longtooth]

You don't need to tell your opponent that you have units in flank march.

Your opponent will clearly see that only two of your corps have been deployed on the table and he will need to guess whether the missing units are: (a) attempting a flank march; or (b) deployed in ambush.

[Longtooth]

...further to my response above, you do have to reveal your flank march when you roll a 5 or 6 (or 6 on first turn).

[I never roll a six]

My understanding of the rules, based on the last paragraph of the first column on page 73 of the rules, is that if both players have chosen to flank march on the same flank, on the second player's first turn, the players compare the size of their respective flanking forces; the smaller force is driven back, arriving on Turn 2, and the larger flanking force arrives in its next turn immediately afterwards.

[sebastosfig]

[Ackostokie]

Hi all, thanks for the replies, Ive also found a paragraph at the bottom of page 70 in the Ambush section

" If an entire army corps is placed in ambush, the player can roll the die each game-turn to determine CP (even if not used). This can confuse the opponent who does not then know if the corps is in ambush or on flank march."

So like you have said, I don't have to tell my opponent until, I get a 5 or 6 on the dice

Phil

[Commodore]

[sebastosfig]

Indeed, and pretty useful too
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[Ramses II]

Further to this, I agree that the "on table flank march" is usefull. However, could someone explain the processes here;

1) When does the player "dice" for the false flank march, at the start of each bound, or after one or both of the other on-table commands?

2) What is the process where both players decide to use "off-table" forces? Exactly when does each player take what particular action?

I assume that players deploy their on-table forces, revealing that two commands are off-table. Presumably each player "dices" each turn until one of them gets a 5 or 6. But what happens at this point?

[Hazelbark]

[Ramses II]

Thanks for the fast reply.

Yes, I was asking for the detailed process when both sides had one command "off-table". The point being that either or both could be disguising on-table ambushes. This being the case, I presume that each player dices at the start of their own movement phase until someone throws a 5 or 6. But what is the precise set of actions at this point?

Player A throws 5/6, so must reveal whether his off-table command is a flank march, and if so, which flank. Am I right that player B either confirms his flank march on the same flank (where one or other is 'pushed back') or remains silent because his troops are either on the other flank or in ambush?

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[ethan]