Art De La Guerre

Ramses II

I played a game last night where several questions arose around movement within and across the "4U barrier", and the impact on the movement of multiple groups, especially with regards to the timing of events during the actions taken by one player.

In one instance, an Ambush marker was revealed to be a fake, in another, some enemy Light Horse evaded a charge.
In both cases I had other units that started outside 4U from the location of the enemy "unit". Can these other units make multiple moves within 4U of the point where the enemy "unit" was originally located?
Can a unit that starts the turn within 4U of a fake ambush marker or evading enemy unit make multiple moves if they start their move outside 4U from enemy (because the original enemy unit / marker has moved away)?

Also, when an Ambush is revealed

If the Ambush is fake, can the unit / group that revealed the fake Ambush make a further move?
If the Ambush is real, when can a different unit / group charge the revealed enemy, can they charge immediately or must they wait until the next turn?

babyshark · Légionaire Inscrit le: 19 Jan 2015 Messages: 136

My understanding is that the 4UD "barrier" is calculated when the unit in question starts to move. So, for instance, one unit could reveal a fake ambush or cause an enemy unit to evade away and thus free up a different unit to make a march move.

Marc

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plefebvre · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 30 D�c 2009 Messages: 1183

Hi fellows !!!

You cannot make several moves if, at any time of your movement phase, your unit is less than 4 UD from any ennemy unit , including any ambush marker. That's to say that if you are in such a situation at the beginning of your mouvement phase, you will not be allowed to make a second or third move, even if this enemy was a fake ambusch or a light troop who evaded.

A unit who reveals an ambush cannot charge it if it's a real one. It must stop just 1 UD from it. If it's a fake one, it can complete it's move but cannot make a second one.

I hope my English is good enough for your good understanding !!!

bye
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A4 · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 08 Oct 2014 Messages: 78

plefebvre · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 30 D�c 2009 Messages: 1183

When an ambush appears to be a fake, it's marker is immediatly removed, so it doesn't exist anymore.

Consequently , if B is more than 4 UD of this marker at the beginning of the movement phase, it can move 2 or 3 three times (providing, of course, that it remains out of 4 UD of any other enemy unit)
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Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Ao� 12, 2015 8:08 pm Sujet du message:

Thanks patrick, that corresponds with the views of others in our club.

What is your view on the question of when 'real' ambushes may be charged by a group other than the one that revealed the ambush? Can the second group charge immediately, or must they wait for the next turn?

plefebvre · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 30 D�c 2009 Messages: 1183

Yes, an other group can charge this "real" ambush in the same turn.
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lionelrus · Post� le: Jeu Ao� 13, 2015 5:56 pm Sujet du message:

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

To support everything that has been posted. The rules are VERY clear.
Page 32. 1st bullet.

"During the entire movement phase..."

Ramses II · Post� le: Ven Ao� 28, 2015 10:01 pm Sujet du message:

Thanks Hazelbark. To summarise;

An Ambush marker is treated in all respects as an enemy unit up to the point where it is revealed to be a blank. At that point it is removed and has no impact on any units that started outside 4U from it.
If an Ambush marker is revealed to contain one or more units, these may be charged immediately by other units that are in range.

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669