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Janos Hunyadi
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 Posté le: Lun Nov 21, 2016 4:59 pm Sujet du message: Blocking evaders |
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Ref page 38.
I see that enemy LF can block evading Light Troops, and enemy LH can block all evaders.
What happens if LF are blocking Heavy Cavalry, and the Cavalry evade.
Are the LF destroyed when they are contacted ?
Do They evade ?
Are they just interpenetrated by hastily retreating enemy Heavy Cavalry ? |
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footslogger
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| See last bullet on p39. |
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Janos Hunyadi
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| footslogger a écrit: | | See last bullet on p39. |
what if the LF throw down, and the heavy cavalry throw up, and its contacted again ? |
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footslogger
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| Posté le: Mar Nov 22, 2016 12:54 am Sujet du message: |
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Top of p 38.
It's possible that the light foot getting run down causes the evading cav to get caught by their chargers because they stop where they kill the light foot. Sleaze on!
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Janos Hunyadi
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| Its the kind of nightmarish "merde" that seems to happen to me in tournnaments, though its been a good 15 - 20 years since I played in one. |
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Soranon
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| Posté le: Mer Nov 23, 2016 12:18 pm Sujet du message: |
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It is said in the rule that LF can't prevent troops other than LF or LH to evade.
In this case, the cavalry doesn't stop to kill LF but just go throuth it.
What I'm not sure, is if the LF is detroyed in this case or not. I think not but I'm not sure... |
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footslogger
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| Soranon a écrit: | It is said in the rule that LF can't prevent troops other than LF or LH to evade.
In this case, the cavalry doesn't stop to kill LF but just go throuth it.
What I'm not sure, is if the LF is detroyed in this case or not. I think not but I'm not sure... |
mmmmm, ok, if that's the way it's to be played, it needs a clarification in the FAQ as I wouldn't play it that way based on the rules. I would say instead the LF don't prevent the other troops from evading, they do, but they still stop when they catch the LF evaders - I don't know why they would pass through.... |
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Soranon
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| LF can't prevent dodging, except for ligth troops... So the cav will not stop and be caugth by charging troops just because a LF is here. |
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footslogger
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| Soranon a écrit: | | LF can't prevent dodging, except for ligth troops... So the cav will not stop and be caugth by charging troops just because a LF is here. |
I don't think the rules actually say that.
They say they won't block an evade move within 1UD. And they don't count as an obstacle for heavy troops in the open, but in turn themselves have to evade. I would read it that they evade, but if they are then caught, it's just like a normal evasion, in turn making the initial evaders (now the chargers) stop. If that is not the intent there needs to be some additional language in the FAQ (or there might be some rules somewhere I am missing). |
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ethan
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See P. 39 "Evade Moves"
After having verified that no obstacle within one UD can block the evade move, <- This is the key bit for LI, they flee if they are within one UD and after fleeing CANNOT be within one UD (as they flee at least 2 UD)...
the unit makes its evade move in a a straight line. If during the evade move, the unit encounters a new obstacle in its way, it MUST maneuver to avoid it... |
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footslogger
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| ethan a écrit: | See P. 39 "Evade Moves"
After having verified that no obstacle within one UD can block the evade move, <- This is the key bit for LI, they flee if they are within one UD and after fleeing CANNOT be within one UD (as they flee at least 2 UD)...
the unit makes its evade move in a a straight line. If during the evade move, the unit encounters a new obstacle in its way, it MUST maneuver to avoid it... |
Yeah, I figured that, but it's pretty easy to conceive of situations where it's not possible to avoid them (or them and some other obstacle). So rather than contact the LI (kill it and be caught) they should just maneuver to avoid them and potentially be caught? I guess I could see that. |
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Mer Nov 23, 2016 11:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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Though I have not seen this, I suggest that you might see a cascade of evaders where Cavalry evading a charge might contact enemy LI who must then also evade.
Note, LI block enemy light troops from evading, so would prevent enemy LC evading under the above example. |
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