Art De La Guerre

Nostrebor · Archer Inscrit le: 20 D�c 2014 Messages: 62

Is the following a correct interpretation of the rules for impetuous units that are charging.

They keep moving in the charge direction until
1) The expend their movement allowance (possibly modified by the evade rules).
2) They become an overlap for a combat
3) They would be forced to enter terrain that cause them to fight at a disadvantage or cannot be entered
4) They hit an enemy unit.

This could result them in hitting a unit they would not normally be forced to charge because they are impetuous. For example Impetuous Knights that start a charge would be forced to hit elephants if their original targets evaded and the elephants were either initially withing range or the pursuit roll put them in range. The same would be true if a group of Knights charged (For example three knights charge. One hits the target one is an overlap but the third keeps going until it hits the elephant).

belinconnux · Post� le: Sam F�v 20, 2016 3:27 pm Sujet du message:

Impetuous unit doesn't have to charge an unit able to evade if there is "forbidden unit" (like elephant or WWG) behind at the distance equal to charge movement + 1 UD.
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Nostrebor · Archer Inscrit le: 20 D�c 2014 Messages: 62

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

You can choose to charge. But there is a specific exemption. If I remember it is in the green box in that section that says they are not impetuous if the VMD "could" take them into an Elephant.

Ramses II · Post� le: Dim F�v 21, 2016 12:06 am Sujet du message:

Agreed Hazelbark.

P41, Exceptions to an uncontrolled charge, sixth bullet states
"An enemy does not provoke an uncontrolled charge if the charge would cause a mounted unit to contact an elephant, even only by a corner".

And the green box on p42 says that this is also the case where this unit (elephant) is behind another enemy unit.

Basically you can choose to charge under these circumstances, but the "impetuous" unit or group is not required to act in an impetuous fashion.

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

With the exception that if it chooses to charge, then it is governed by impetuous rules. I.E. no stop after 2 UD

Ramses II · Post� le: Dim F�v 21, 2016 11:11 pm Sujet du message:

I think I disagree with that Hazelbark.

The wording says specifically that the 'Impetuous' unit is not subject to an Uncontrolled Charge, which is defined on the previous page and includes the point about charging until they are
"in melee with the enemy, in position to support or have moved their full distance".

However, this does contradict the content of the third para under Charge Movement on the same page . . . Wink

Help anyone??

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

You are missing this.

Yes they don't make an uncontrolled charge if the circumstances, say they don't.

However if a (any) unit chooses to charge, it only can stop per page 40, 3rd para. There the sentence that say go full distance does not say if making an uncontrolled charge, it say if a unit is "impetuous" which is defined when the unit is put on the table.