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madaxeman
Magister Militum

Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1599
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Dim Fév 21, 2016 9:52 pm Sujet du message: 4 LH shooting at one target |
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A block of 4 LH, 2x2, shoots at one target.
Do they count
Base factor of -1
+1/2 for first LH shooting (rear rank behind the shooter)
+1/2 for 2nd LH shooting (the other non-primary-shooter front rank)
=0
or does the LH in the 2nd rank behind the non-primary shooter also contribute?
ON balance we suspect that its the first option, but... _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Dim Fév 21, 2016 11:32 pm Sujet du message: |
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P49 says that LH can provide support when positioned behind another LH (same arms, aligned corner to corner, touching). So I believe the total should = 0.
Note I believe this should be clarified as directly behind the unit that is shooting, which would exclude the 2nd LH unit in the rear . . .
Is this something that was 'lost in translation'? |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Lun Fév 22, 2016 4:06 am Sujet du message: |
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Agreed this appears clear. But we can always check. |
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Commodore
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Lun Fév 22, 2016 6:36 am Sujet du message: |
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Ramses II a écrit: | P49 says that LH can provide support when positioned behind another LH (same arms, aligned corner to corner, touching). So I believe the total should = 0.
Note I believe this should be clarified as directly behind the unit that is shooting, which would exclude the 2nd LH unit in the rear . . .
Is this something that was 'lost in translation'? |
Agree with Ramses, total should be 0, the 4th LH is acting as a support of an already considered support. _________________ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"
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madaxeman
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Lun Fév 22, 2016 9:35 am Sujet du message: |
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If you can't support a supporter, that would make sense.
A clarification of directly behind the primary shooter would tidy this up _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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viracochas
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plefebvre
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Lun Fév 22, 2016 6:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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This matter has to be clarified . As a matter of fact, by considering the paragraph "multiple shooters at the same targets" we could equaly conclude that the supporting units are shooting exactly in the same way than the primary shooters. It would make sense for this section of the rule is supposed to simulate the typical "scythian" tactic of light horse archers.
Both interpretation are relevant so i will check with the author. _________________ patrick lefebvre
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hcaille
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Inscrit le: 20 Mai 2008 Messages: 2547
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Posté le: Mer Fév 24, 2016 6:53 am Sujet du message: |
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Hello
This point is covered page 49, Shooting overhead, last bullet.
In the example, the 4 LH can shoot at the same target. So there are 3 supporting units (bonus divided by two for LH so +2) with a basic factor of -1 (Light units). So the final factor is +1.
The capacity of LH to shoot overhead another LH is used to simulate the typical tactic of horse archers and to boost their shooting effect. |
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daveallen
Tribun

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Posté le: Mer Fév 24, 2016 2:23 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hi Herve
Thank you for the clarification.
This is one that will need to go into the English FAQ as a literal* reading of that rule is where we went wrong at the weekend.
Dave
* Perhaps over-literal in that we had played it the way it was intended until someone pointed out the precise meaning of the way it was written. |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Mer Fév 24, 2016 10:59 pm Sujet du message: |
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Agreed. The current wording is Citation: | LH can shoot in support of another LH with the same armament if it is aligned corner to corner and in contact just behind. | This can imply that the supporting unit is required to touch the primary unit by two corners.
Would the following achieve what Herve describes:- Citation: | LH can shoot in support of another LH with the same armament if it is aligned and in contact just behind, even if it only touches corner to corner. |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Jeu Fév 25, 2016 7:46 pm Sujet du message: |
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Ramses I am not sure what you are addressing, but I don't think it improves anything. |
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daveallen
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Posté le: Lun Fév 29, 2016 8:07 am Sujet du message: |
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I think all that is necessary is to say:
A second rank Light Cavalry unit may shoot overhead only at the same target as the LC in front of it and in support of that LC or any other shooter at said target.
Dave Allen |
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