Art De La Guerre

ecnomus · Barbare Inscrit le: 30 Juin 2015 Messages: 24

Hello.

I do not know how to anex a picture to the forum. So here you have a url to the picture of the question.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x7k5ui7c6b9wgl5/Charge_and_slide.jpg?dl=0

The question is that i like to know if this charge is legal. It is an EL charging an enemy Knight with a previous slide. This slide is exactly one UD wide.

Is it possible or legal to do it?
Which are the distances and movements I need to know in order to do a legal charge beginning with this photo but evolving to a farther enemy KN?

It is difficult to explain this question due to my poor english, but if you need more explanations I will try.

Thanks in advance,
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Ramses II · Post� le: Mar Mar 01, 2016 6:25 pm Sujet du message:

Your diagram shows an enemy javelin unit directly ahead of the elephant whose ZoC extends to 0.5 UD from the elephant, while the target knights are 2.5 UD ahead of the elephant to the right of the javelins.

The English rules state that

ecnomus · Barbare Inscrit le: 30 Juin 2015 Messages: 24

Thank you very much for your answer.

The next problem I found is related to the limits of this charge.

How far can be the Kn so I could charge with the EL?
Has the Jav position any effect on this?

There is an aclaration in the rules about that the slide must not allow the EL to move more than its max movement range.

What does this really mean?

Thanks in advance again.
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ecnomus · Barbare Inscrit le: 30 Juin 2015 Messages: 24

An example of this extreme situation can be found here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k32fiwh8b7jgleh/Charge%20and%20slide%20%28%20II%20%29.jpg?dl=0

How far can be the Kn to be legally charged by the EL?
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belinconnux · Post� le: Mer Mar 02, 2016 12:39 pm Sujet du message:

No far than3 UD cause if the target is too far to be charged, the slide can't allow to touch her.
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ecnomus · Barbare Inscrit le: 30 Juin 2015 Messages: 24

So, you mean this second example is legal, dont you?

Kn is diagonally 3 UD far from the EL....
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Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Mar 02, 2016 1:46 pm Sujet du message:

You raise an interesting question.

Slide P28, 2nd bullet says

ecnomus · Barbare Inscrit le: 30 Juin 2015 Messages: 24

Thanks for your explanation.

Do you mean that the EL do not need to wheel before measure distance to the Kn?

If there is a wheel considered then the target is "out of range".
Must we only measure direct distance or must we simulate a real movement ignoring enemies and ZOCs in order to determine if the target is in range?
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Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Mar 02, 2016 2:04 pm Sujet du message:

No, the measurement is done before any movement takes place.
Also, it is possible to wheel after the Slide allowing a great range of movement, which is why the entire movement is measured first before any movement takes place.

However, the wheel must not pass through enemy ZoC, so for example I suspect that the rear left corner of the Elephant unit might pass through the enemy ZoC if it wheels through 90 degrees.

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Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Mar 02, 2016 5:00 pm Sujet du message:

Indeed, though in the diagram they are based as MLI Javelinmen, not LI armed with Javelins.

Also, that LI do not exert any ZoC over heavier troops which was the main reason here for sliding around the LMI ZoC in the first place Smile