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Ramses II
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MessagePosté le: Mer Aoû 03, 2016 11:49 am    Sujet du message: "Alignment" in an enemy ZoC Répondre en citant
In a recent game, a player wanted to move a unit within the ZoC of an enemy unit, but without actually charging that enemy.

This raised questions about Movements allowed in an enemy ZoC on P34, and what was meant by the term " . . . to align with the most threatening enemy, . . . "?

Does it mean:-
  1. To move the unit such that the front edge is parallel and opposed to the opposing unit's front edge by the specified legal movements?

  2. As (a), but additionally to increase the proportion of front edge that are mutually opposed, by multiple wheels?

  3. To 'adjust' the unit by picking it up and placing it in a position where the front corners are aligned but without the units being in contact, in a manner similar to 'conformation', ?

  4. Something else? For example allowing the unit to advance part of it's front edge past that of the enemy's into a position where it is now threatening the enemy's flank?
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MessagePosté le: Dim Aoû 07, 2016 6:14 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
answer A.

the ZoC limits the possibility of manœuvre, but doesn't force the fight: if A and B are ennemy units in mutual Zoc:
AAA

_BBB

B can stay where he is, or advance straight ahead (contacting A or not), or leave the ZoC directly on his rear depending of his type (evade, become disordered, difficult move,...).

He can't slide to the left as he can't advance of 1 UD( there is A on the way), he can't slide to the rigt because that would make him leave illegally the ZoC, and he can't turn or pivot for the same reason.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Aoû 07, 2016 7:33 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Thanks Fdunadan, but I was asking about situations where the two opposing units are at an angle to each other, such that one unit is in the ZoC of the other, but not the other way round. For example (with apologies for the diagram) :-

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This can be viewed two ways:-
  1. B is facing right and A is facing diagonally up and left, such that A is in B's ZoC, but not the reverse. Here, A could pivot ant-clockwise on the corner nearest B, or turn left and then pivot clockwise on that corner. Which move is mandated (if any?).
  2. Alternatively B could be facing up the page, in the ZoC of A facing diagonally down and left. Could B turn right and creep forwards such that its front edge is now beyond that of A, so that it threatens the flank of A, or is B required to turn right and then pivot anticlockwise?
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 08, 2016 12:58 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Ramses II a écrit:


This can be viewed two ways:-
  1. B is facing right and A is facing diagonally up and left, such that A is in B's ZoC, but not the reverse. Here, A could pivot ant-clockwise on the corner nearest B, or turn left and then pivot clockwise on that corner. Which move is mandated (if any?).


there is no pivot.
A can wheel on its left front corner until the fronts are parallel. Right corner moves.From diagram it remains in ZOC.
Or it can turn 90 left then wheel on its now right front.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 08, 2016 1:02 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Ramses II a écrit:

[*]Alternatively B could be facing up the page, in the ZoC of A facing diagonally down and left. Could B turn right and creep forwards such that its front edge is now beyond that of A, so that it threatens the flank of A, or is B required to turn right and then pivot anticlockwise?[/list]


So there is not threatened flank because to paraphrase you can't contact the flank of someone who ZOC's you. p 51 lower right diagram C!

In this case B can right turn 90 degrees, and either charge or wheel on its now left corner until the front edges are parallel.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Aoû 08, 2016 2:07 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
And in both cases, you are saying that "to align" means to move the unit (by legal movements) so that the front edge is parallel and facing the front edge of the enemy unit, option (A); (rather than picking the unit up and repositioning it, option (C) )

Thanks, that was what I told the player. I will pass on your comments.
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