Art De La Guerre

[Ackostokie]

Hi

In the army list 135, it says some of the spearmen and archer units can be substituted for upto 6 mixed médium spearmen and archers.

The doubt is it posible for me to take 6 mixed units and 6 heavy spearmen units. Or can you only have upto 6 units that contain spears?

Thanks

Phil

[Stephen]

You may have up to six Sudanese abid (mixed units) and/or up to six heavy spearmen but the combined total may not exceed 6 units.

[Dickstick]

If you replaced the Archers with abid then the Spearmen are still available for selection.
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[JohnTheBoring]

[Dickstick]

[quote="JohnTheBoring"][quote="Dickstick"]If you replaced the Archers with abid then the Spearmen are still available for selection.[/quote]

It says "Replace some spearmen and archers with Sudanese abid". So each abid replaces a spearman and an archer. Say, if you have 3 abids you have 0-3 spearmen and 0-3 archers left.[/quote]

Why replace two for one?
Your abid each require one base of spear and one base of bow.
Each spear uses two bases of spear, like wise each bow is made of two bases of bow.

There is no restriction listed here like there is in the Burgundian ordonnance (235)
Or
Requirement to swap only bow and not spear like there is for crossbow in the Communal Italian (181).

I say swap a unit of abid for either a unit of bow or a unit of spear and each swap does not have to be the same as the others.
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[JohnTheBoring]

"Why replace two for one?
Your abid each require one base of spear and one base of bow.
Each spear uses two bases of spear, like wise each bow is made of two bases of bow."

You are thinking in DBM/FOG terms. You use two bases you used for previous rules because that makes the size of a unit, but you should think of it as a single base.

[Ackostokie]

Thanks for the comments, I think the list is a bit vague, in the list you can have 6 bows and six heavy spearmen, so 12 units altogether. However with mixed units the maximum drops to half. Also they are a mixed unit of medium spearmen and bows, not Heavy spearmen and bows. Is this because the list writer was spreading the spearmen more thinly?

I was going to use it in a tournament this weekend, but because of the doubt I didn't want to use it. So im using my Kushites instead.

[Dickstick]

[quote="JohnTheBoring"]"Why replace two for one?
Your abid each require one base of spear and one base of bow.
Each spear uses two bases of spear, like wise each bow is made of two bases of bow."

You are thinking in DBM/FOG terms. You use two bases you used for previous rules because that makes the size of a unit, but you should think of it as a single base.[/quote]

You have the wrong end of the stick.
Clearly my attempt to use figure bases to explain failed to help you.

It is you that's taking two units and squashing them into one.

You replace in this list one unit for one.
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[Dickstick]

[quote="Ackostokie"]Thanks for the comments, I think the list is a bit vague, in the list you can have 6 bows and six heavy spearmen, so 12 units altogether. However with mixed units the maximum drops to half. Also they are a mixed unit of medium spearmen and bows, not Heavy spearmen and bows. Is this because the list writer was spreading the spearmen more thinly?

I was going to use it in a tournament this weekend, but because of the doubt I didn't want to use it. So im using my Kushites instead.[/quote]

Your maximum only exists for the mixed units you pick.
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