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MessagePosté le: Lun Déc 05, 2016 1:59 pm    Sujet du message: Elephant and LI charging as a group Répondre en citant
What if you have the following situation. An Elephant and a Light Infantry are a group (LI in in front of the EL). The group is ordered to charge a Light Infantry which is in front of an enemy Heavy Infantry.

EL.LI -> LI.HI

No problem if the enemy LI takes the charge. What happens if the enemy LI flees? The friendly LI cannot contact the HI. Does the friendly LI stop and the Elephant interpenetrates or do both stop?
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MessagePosté le: Lun Déc 05, 2016 4:40 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
In that case :
Charging as a group (p36 2nd para) "a group can charge if at least one unit is able to contact the enemy"it is the cqs with LI+EL
continue a charge (p36 right 3rd para) when a unit part of a group has contacted the enemy, the others units may continue their move up to the max move. This may be conduct to a group to separate.
As the LI is not authorised to contact the HI and has to stop at 1 UD, my interpretation is that the EL, part of the same group may continue its move, and have to if not already perform 2UD, cross through the LI and may contact the HI.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Déc 05, 2016 5:48 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Commodore a écrit:
In that case :
Charging as a group (p36 2nd para) "a group can charge if at least one unit is able to contact the enemy"it is the cqs with LI+EL
continue a charge (p36 right 3rd para) when a unit part of a group has contacted the enemy, the others units may continue their move up to the max move. This may be conduct to a group to separate.
As the LI is not authorised to contact the HI and has to stop at 1 UD, my interpretation is that the EL, part of the same group may continue its move, and have to if not already perform 2UD, cross through the LI and may contact the HI.


This would be my interpretation.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Déc 05, 2016 8:07 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I also agree. The rules are clear on this exact situation
  • Obviously the group can initiate the charge against the LI. When the LI evades it reveals a new unit (the HI),
  • p40 Charge movement, 4th para states "when a new enemy is in the path of the charge, it can be contacted and can also evade in turn if possible."
  • 5th para states "if contact with the new enemy is not allowed (ie LI on HI), then the unit or group concerned must stop at one UD from the new enemy. The other units can continue their charge."
  • So, assuming the elephant starts within charge range of the HI, then it should contact the HI.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Déc 05, 2016 9:40 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Ramses II a écrit:
I also agree. The rules are clear on this exact situation
  • Obviously the group can initiate the charge against the LI. When the LI evades it reveals a new unit (the HI),
  • p40 Charge movement, 4th para states "when a new enemy is in the path of the charge, it can be contacted and can also evade in turn if possible."
  • 5th para states "if contact with the new enemy is not allowed (ie LI on HI), then the unit or group concerned must stop at one UD from the new enemy. The other units can continue their charge."
  • So, assuming the elephant starts within charge range of the HI, then it should contact the HI.


The other units can continue their charge was the rule I was looking for. In most cases this is units to the left or right, but in this case it is a unit to the rear.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Déc 06, 2016 8:39 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Nostrebor a écrit:

The other units can continue their charge was the rule I was looking for. In most cases this is units to the left or right, but in this case it is a unit to the rear.


Never mind, they are part of the same charging group as far as at least one unit is able to contact the enemy.
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