Art De La Guerre

Dickstick · Post� le: Dim D�c 18, 2016 12:20 pm Sujet du message: LMI speedy or not?

Under movement and terrain p27.
How fast are LMI?
Okay LI and MI are the same speed in open and rough so no different there.
Now if you go down in the woods today where it is difficult terrain.
What speed does the LMI do?
How fast is the bow armed teddy?
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Commodore · Post� le: Dim D�c 18, 2016 12:54 pm Sujet du message:

LMI are medium infantry (p 13 2nd para) thus move at medium infantry speed, I woods, they move at a speed of 2 (difficult terrain), fight with a -1 penalty in melee and exert no ZOC
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Ramses II · Post� le: Dim D�c 18, 2016 3:01 pm Sujet du message:

Agreed Commodore, LMI move like MI. However LMI do not fight as well as MI or heavier units, hence their distinction.

Dickstick · Post� le: Dim D�c 18, 2016 3:50 pm Sujet du message:

[quote="Commodore"]LMI are medium infantry (p 13 2nd para) thus move at medium infantry speed, I woods, they move at a speed of 2 (difficult terrain), fight with a -1 penalty in melee and exert no ZOC[/quote]

I suppose the paragraph title implies that LMI and MI are both medium infantry even if the paragraph says they are different. So words and initials are meaning different things.
They fight the same and zoc the same.
Just others fight them differently.
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Dickstick · Post� le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 5:55 pm Sujet du message:

So just sticking to movement.
To be consistent with cavalry types and knight types being listed in all there configurations we need LMI being added to table on p27 after Medium infantry.
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Ramses II · Post� le: Dim Jan 15, 2017 11:53 pm Sujet du message:

I think I see where you are going with this, expecting MI and LMI to be distinguished throughout the rules. This ignores the fact that other classes also have sub-classes e.g. Heavy Infantry, covering spearman, swordsmen, foot-knights, levy and Pike.

I think you may have to accept that the rules are written to cover entire classes in some places - e.g. movement allowances p27 - while they refer to the particular sub-classes in other areas where required e.g. Manoeuvre or combat.

Here "Medium Infantry" covers all MI and LMI just like HI covers all the sub-classes.

Dickstick · Post� le: Lun Jan 16, 2017 8:48 am Sujet du message:

I don't see movement seperated into weapons carried but into category type as per p20 table.
Cannot accept selective use of MI to be sometimes with or sometimes without LMI.
How does reader know when to include LMI?
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Ramses II · Post� le: Lun Jan 16, 2017 12:38 pm Sujet du message:

The various classes and their sub-classes are clearly laid out in the earlier section. The author has chosen these definitions, which is his prerogative, though they are also very reasonable definitions used in other rulesets. The use of 'classes' to describe the movement capabilities of each is both clear and reasonable, enumerating the detailed sub-classes is not necessary.

Inevitably this means that there will be a mix of references to 'classes' and 'sub-classes' throughout the rules - as occurs in other sets. Obviously, the reader is also expected to use some intelligence to comprehend what is written. Personally I have no problem with this approach, and many have welcomed the refreshing simplicity of the game presented in ADLG.

When in doubt about something, especially if the point is likely to be contentious, perhaps 'the reader' could discuss this with his opponent before starting he game?