Art De La Guerre

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1530

Question on a neighboring table this week.
all units are MI.
Attacker Side "A" has 3 units. At the end of its melee it routs a foe and pursues from "*" into the space.
Defender side "3" has two units in melee and a 3rd unit "^" directly behind.

A*A
3A3
^

So unit "^" is in corner to corner contact at the start of its turn due to the A unit pursuit. It starts in corner to corner contact. It wanted to make a quarter turn. So it would look like thus.

A*A
3A3
>

Is that a legal turn?
I would argue yes, if it was a move to move to contact the front of the unit that it started in contact with.
But if it only wanted to turn and stay in place I am less sure.

I think from a healthy game I wouldn't worry too much, but in a competition I would have been hard pressed to cite the rule.

Ramses II · Post� le: Sam Mar 03, 2018 12:32 am Sujet du message:

Interesting question. I have a feeling that under the October FAQ changes, if you check the third bullet under timing of conformation p13, since the pursuing unit A made contact, in the other player’s movement phase unit “^ “ must conform with A.

However, under other circumstances I cannot see why the unit cannot turn and remain in corner to corner contact, as none of the other three bullet points apply.

What do others think?

Commodore · Post� le: Sam Mar 03, 2018 6:40 am Sujet du message:

Ramses II · Post� le: Sam Mar 03, 2018 12:29 pm Sujet du message:

I think F is a friend rather than an enemy. I believe the original position was

AAA
333
^

During the melee the central unit “A” destroyed its opponent and pursued into the gap, coming into corner to corner contact with “^”
We presume that this is not LI, since that would be automatically destroyed.

Since “^” is in corner to corner contact with the enemy “A”, any move that remains in contact is not a ‘charge’ by definition, so I did not think turning resulted in Conformation, even though it would count as movement. Otherwise a unit in flank to flank contact with an enemy would not be allowed to advance slightly up the flank without being forced to conform.

However, by turning in this fashion “^” is not in melee with “A” presumably because it is weak (LMI Bow perhaps) and wants to exert a ZoC over the potential exit point to delay the breakout. The alternative (conforming) would likely hasten the demise of the unit and possibly the game.

The question therefore still remains whether this is legal or not?

ethan · Signifer Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 347

Longtooth · Post� le: Sam Mar 03, 2018 5:42 pm Sujet du message:

I agree with Ethan. You are not allowed to charge an enemy that you start in corner-to-corner contact with.

Jesse

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1530

gregfilip · Légionaire Inscrit le: 15 F�v 2017 Messages: 109

According to FAQ 3d bullet on TIMING of CONFORMATION.

 During a pursuit, if the pursuer contacts a new enemy. If that new unit is not automatically
destroyed it must conform with the front of the pursuer.
So .after unit 2 pursues and contacts unit B corner 2 corner unit B must conforms immediatelly .isnt that right?
so how will it be possible to move or QT next turn?