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vexillia · Centurion Inscrit le: 21 Nov 2017 Messages: 408 Localisation: Nantwich, UK

Would I be right in assuming that if a group has to contract to get past an obstacle they must do so before they slide or wheel as group contractions cannot be combined with slides and wheels?

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JohnTheBoring · Post� le: Mer Avr 04, 2018 12:29 pm Sujet du message:

I don't think you can contract in an evade move. (Wrong rules?)

A contraction can include a wheel as part of the forward move, but not a slide

vexillia · Post� le: Mer Avr 04, 2018 1:25 pm Sujet du message:

Evade move & contraction: Page 39, right hand column, first bullet.

You're right you can wheel and contract but in which order?
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Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

vexillia · Post� le: Jeu Avr 05, 2018 8:29 am Sujet du message:

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

I think I mistook your first question so we are talking past each other. My error.

When contract?
So the bullet you reference says "compelled" I view that as only in situations that require the contraction. Note this is only in an evade so the "no slide with contraction" does not apply. So the below two evader CV needing to pass the 1 UD gap between two Heavy friends would compel a contraction

_CC
H_H

vexillia · Post� le: Jeu Avr 05, 2018 4:45 pm Sujet du message:

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1669

I think it is clear:

You start to evade.
The moment you are 1 UD from obstacle you assess (in order)
1) Slide if you can by up to 1 UD
2) "if the obstacle cannot be avoided by a slide, then it can wheel"
3) A group may be compelled to contract. You cannot contract until compelled too.

I do not believe the contract allows you to exceed the 1 UD slide. i.E. the whole group does not slide, then the individual unit does not get an additional contraction.

vexillia · Post� le: Jeu Avr 05, 2018 5:56 pm Sujet du message:

Zoltan · Post� le: Jeu Avr 05, 2018 8:02 pm Sujet du message:

[quote="uote] They are both sensible points and consistent with the tone of the rules as written. [/quote]

As an aside, the tone of the rules as translated (from the original tone). To what extent did translators of historical texts impose their own tone (manipulation) on the original work? Subsequent retranslations sometimes uncover this "bias". Just saying... Laughing

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Zoltan · Post� le: Jeu Avr 05, 2018 11:51 pm Sujet du message:

hcaille · Post� le: Ven Avr 06, 2018 7:04 am Sujet du message:

Hello

When a group have to evade, it had to be made in the most logical way.
The example below is right :

[quote
]123_ want to evade directly south.
XY_Z Obstacles XY and Z block the direct path of 1 and 2. not there is a 1 UD gap between Y and Z.

3 will move straight. It does not slide
2 can slide and therefore contract behind 3.
1 cannot slide as then it still is blocked.
1 cannot slide with 2, then claim it can contract behind 2 and 3, because that exceeds the 1 UD.
So 1 will have to try to wheel up to 90.[/quote]

Precisions :
- If a group evade, you throw only one dicto adjust the distance but it is possible that units will be separated after the evade move
- For each unit, you proceed in the following order :
1 - Slide
2 - Wheel if slide is not sufficient
- If necessary a group can contract to pass through a gap. The units at the rear move less so they can be ctach by the cherger.

Zoltan · Post� le: Ven Avr 06, 2018 7:27 am Sujet du message:

vexillia · Post� le: Ven Avr 06, 2018 8:08 am Sujet du message:

Thanks everyone.
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