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Mike Bennett
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 Posté le: Sam Mai 08, 2021 2:42 pm Sujet du message: Light horse overhead shooting |
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There is an interesting change to light horse overhead shooting wording. Previously the supporting shooter had to be aligned “behindâ€, but this is no longer necessary, it simply needs to “face in the same directionâ€.
This implies that overhead shooting can be in any direction, including to the flank or rear. E.g. with a 2 wiide group the further “column†could shoot sideways over the nearest column. Anyone disagree with the reading, and is that the intention?
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CD Target
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A, C and E can shoot over B, D and F so all 6 are eligible to shoot |
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Longtooth
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| Posté le: Sam Mai 08, 2021 4:43 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hi Mike,
The same bullet point requires the LH to be "aligned front corner to rear corner and facing the same direction". In my mind, that is the same as saying 'behind'.
Although I would not care if my opponent chose to fire forwards or backwards within a column comprised of two LH, I think firing over an adjacent column is not possible in the context of the front corner to rear corner requirement.
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Sam Mai 08, 2021 9:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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| The wording has changed slightly to clarify the intent, but the rule is unchanged; the units have to be aligned and facing in the same direction, the same as V3. |
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Mike Bennett
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| Ramses II a écrit: | | The wording has changed slightly to clarify the intent, but the rule is unchanged; the units have to be aligned and facing in the same direction, the same as V3. |
Why do you say that the meaning is unchanged? In v3 the supporting shooter had to be “behindâ€, but v4 removes that limitation, allowing an extra option. I.e v4 wording allows a front rank to shoot backwards from infront, not behind, over a rear rank |
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madaxeman
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| Posté le: Sam Mai 08, 2021 11:00 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Mike Bennett a écrit: | | Ramses II a écrit: | | The wording has changed slightly to clarify the intent, but the rule is unchanged; the units have to be aligned and facing in the same direction, the same as V3. |
Why do you say that the meaning is unchanged? In v3 the supporting shooter had to be “behindâ€, but v4 removes that limitation, allowing an extra option. I.e v4 wording allows a front rank to shoot backwards from infront, not behind, over a rear rank |
Gavin is saying that they have to be one behind the other, tidily arranged, both facing in the same direction.
That was true in v3, its still true in v4 but is more explicitly spelled out to frustrate people who may have tried to bend the rules in v3 by trying to claim that two units "back to back" could still shoot in support of each other.
The phrase about shooting from the "front or rear edge" is new wording, and is there (I believe) to clear up another DBx-era-rules-laywer tortuously semantically arguable "ambiguity" in v3 in which some people tried to argue that the "front edge" could be dyamically defined as the the "shooting edge" of a unit duing the shooting phase.
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Mike Bennett
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| Posté le: Dim Mai 09, 2021 8:01 am Sujet du message: |
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| madaxeman a écrit: | | Mike Bennett a écrit: | | Ramses II a écrit: | | The wording has changed slightly to clarify the intent, but the rule is unchanged; the units have to be aligned and facing in the same direction, the same as V3. |
Why do you say that the meaning is unchanged? In v3 the supporting shooter had to be “behindâ€, but v4 removes that limitation, allowing an extra option. I.e v4 wording allows a front rank to shoot backwards from infront, not behind, over a rear rank |
Gavin is saying that they have to be one behind the other, tidily arranged, both facing in the same direction.
That was true in v3, its still true in v4 but is more explicitly spelled out to frustrate people who may have tried to bend the rules in v3 by trying to claim that two units "back to back" could still shoot in support of each other.
The phrase about shooting from the "front or rear edge" is new wording, and is there (I believe) to clear up another DBx-era-rules-laywer tortuously semantically arguable "ambiguity" in v3 in which some people tried to argue that the "front edge" could be dyamically defined as the the "shooting edge" of a unit duing the shooting phase. |
Agreed. And in v4 they can shoot overhead from behind (ie forward) like in v3, AND also, new to V4, from infront (ie to the rear). But as you say, no dynamic front edge, so not to the side. In any case overhead shooting is pretty rare. LH are normally best side by side, not one behind the other |
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hcaille
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| Posté le: Ven Mai 14, 2021 6:04 am Sujet du message: |
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The only change in V4 is that one LH can support shooting from the rear or from the front.
2 LH side by side cannot shoot over
Target ... AABB
BB cannot shoot over AA to support shooting against the target |
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MC_Delicatessen
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| Posté le: Ven Mai 14, 2021 9:47 am Sujet du message: |
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| hcaille a écrit: | The only change in V4 is that one LH can support shooting from the rear or from the front.
2 LH side by side cannot shoot over
Target ... AABB
BB cannot shoot over AA to support shooting against the target |
Here, BB is aligned front left corner to the rear right corner of AA.
Target
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Can you confirm that BB cannot support shoot overhead in this case, or can it...? |
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| It obviously does not work that way. |
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