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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 07, 2021 5:54 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I seem to recall seeing Hubert on the attendance list. Can we not just lock him in the toilet until he gives us an 'unofficial' official ruling?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 07, 2021 6:09 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
daveallen a écrit:

Page 43, Charge Procedure, 2 - Direction of the charge, BP3:
Citation:
• The charge direction must respect the ZoC of the most threatening enemy

I suppose that could mean just about anything, but I take it as applying some kind of general restriction. I certainly don't see how "respecting a ZoC" can be taken to mean "doing whatever suits you best in a ZoC."
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Interesting debate, and let’s continue it on Sunday, or better still let’s wait for a definitive ruling from the DT.

However I do not see how you get “doing whatever suits you best in a ZoC." Ref your quote, considering the whole pg43 bullet point “Citation: • The charge direction must respect the ZoC of the most threatening enemy (see p35)”. The “charge direction” must target the MTE and will always contact unless they evade away, as per Pg35/36 BP2.


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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 07, 2021 6:18 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Longtooth a écrit:
I seem to recall seeing Hubert on the attendance list. Can we not just lock him in the toilet until he gives us an 'unofficial' official ruling?


To reassure you on process, this ruling is the consensus of the various luminaries on the rules committee etc. and other knowledgable people from the club, whom i know personally and so could consult with before the weekend. The point has also been submitted by them to their remaining colleagues on the full rules committee for a definitive answer.  

If it is any consolation it rather screws up my own plans of using light horse ZoC and evade to neuter any cataphracts or other nasties that could threaten my own medium swordsmen.


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MessagePosté le: Ven Sep 10, 2021 11:34 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Hi guys

Please see the updated list of players and armies (one extra entry). There is one list outstanding which I am still hoping to receive.

William Matthews CLWC 109 Sassanid Persian
Jesse Schoor WAR 110 Huns
Sean Walker CLWC 124 Justinian Byzantine
Stephen Nice WAR 124 Justinian Byzantine
Harrison Pearce MKWS 125 Maurikian Byzantine
Simon Finney CLWC 125 Maurikian Byzantine
Nick Webb CLWC 127 Nikephorian Byzantine
Richard Hammod MKWS 127 Nikephorian Byzantine
Darrell Pearce CLWC 127 Nikephorian Byzantine
Ian Sewell WAR 130 Arab Conquest
Peter Webb CLWC 130 Arab Conquest
David Allen CLWC 130 Arab Conquest
Colin Whittaker CLWC 133 Andalusian Arab
Mark Gilby, CLWC, 134 Abbasid Arab (updated)
Dave Saunders CLWC 138 Bedouin Dynasties
Richard Stone SELWG 146 Post Roman British
Martin Healey SELWG 155 Viking and Leidang
Hubert Bretagne CLWC 155 Viking and Leidang
Andy Finkel CLWC 155 Viking and Leidang
Howard Gray CLWC 155 Viking and Leidang
Michael Rowland CLWC 164 Pecheneg
Stanley Sola CLWC 165 Rus
Gavin McKenzie CLWC 166 Christian Nubian
Mike Bennett CLWC 199 Dailami Dynasties
Ted Tolson CLWC 210 Tuareg


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MessagePosté le: Ven Sep 10, 2021 11:46 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Please see the first round draw, which is done by date. I still await one final, there is one player who is tba up to the last minute due to family reasons, and always some late minute changes anyway so i will rejig this as required for any no shows on the day.

Everyone will get all 3 games, I will only play if we have an odd number of players. If I play I will use a normal draw for simplicity, but I will be ineligible for the prizes. Having checked 20+ lists I cannot remember contents, but if I need to play my opponents are welcome to swap lists with me at the start of the game so that we both know exactly what is in each army.

397 Bretagne 862 Finkel
485 Schoor 1485 Stone
489 McKenzie 971 Rowland
708 Webb 768 Allen
710 Saunders 858 Bennett
711 Pearce 1418 Nice
713 Pearce 869 Sola
N104 Gilby N101 Matthews updated
872 Finney 1483 Sewell
873 Gray N103 Tolson
973 Healey N102 Whittaker
1354 Webb N105 Hammond

Looking forward to seeing everyone Sunday, as close to 9:00 start as we can once we can get into the pub and get tables setup


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MessagePosté le: Sam Sep 11, 2021 6:16 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
A couple of small changes.

Sean had previously warned me that he might not be able to make it tomorrow, and has now confirmed that he will not be there. He is replaced by Mark Gilby, CLWC, 134 Abbasid Arab
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MessagePosté le: Dim Sep 12, 2021 7:03 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Today’s results.  Congratulations to Harrison, Hubert and Peter, and thanks to all for coming along and taking part in good spirit.

In rememberance of our dear friend,Clive, the person rolling the most 1s was Colin Whittaker

ID Player.                 Club Pts N° Army                         Units
711 Pearce Harrison MKWS 263 125 Maurikian Byzantine 20
397 Bretagne Hubert CLWC 262 155 Viking and Leidang 23
708 Webb Peter         CLWC 221 130 Arab Conquest         27
485 Schoor Jesse WAR         203 110 Huns                         21
710 Saunders Dave         CLWC 196 138 Bedouin Dynasties 22
973 Healey Martin SELWG 193 155 Viking and Leidang 24
1418 Nice         Stephen WAR         172 124 Justinian Byzantine 21
873 Gray         Howard CLWC 170 155 Viking and Leidang 24
489 McKenzie Gavin CLWC 169 166 Christian Nubian 29
862 Finkel Andy         CLWC 168 155 Viking and Leidang 22
N103 Tolson Ted         CLWC 166 210 Tuareg                 27
1483 Sewell Ian         WAR         165 130 Arab Conquest         30
N101 Matthews William CLWC 161 109 Sassanid Persian 21
713 Pearce Darrell MKWS 160 127 Nikephorian Byzantine 20
1460 Hammond Richard CLWC 154 127 Nikephorian Byzantine 24
1485 Stone Richard SELWG 129 146 Post Roman British 25
872 Finney Simon CLWC 125 125 Maurikian Byzantine 22
1354 Webb Nick         CLWC 110 127 Nikephorian Byzantine 22
971 Rowland Michael CLWC 109 164 Pecheneg                 22
869 Sola         Stanley CLWC 103 165 Rus                         24
768 Allen         David CLWC 90 130 Arab Conquest         26
N102 Whittaker Colin         CLWC 63 133 Andalusian Arab         24
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MessagePosté le: Dim Sep 12, 2021 9:55 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Harrison is a top notch player! Congratulations
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MessagePosté le: Lun Sep 13, 2021 7:21 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Well done Harrison.

Good to see that Hvy Cav Impact 1/2 Bow and smaller armies are still viable.

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MessagePosté le: Lun Sep 13, 2021 10:02 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Well done, Harrison, and thanks to Mike for taking the time to get this organised.

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Hi Jesse I see your Huns came 4th in the comp are you willing to share a insight in how you did it?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 14, 2021 7:43 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Hi Black Prince,

My army list was as follows:

Command A (+2)
10 x Med cavalry, bow, elite

Command B (+1, Included General)
1 x Heavy cavalry, bow, elite, general
1 x Heavy cavalry, bow, elite
2 x Light cavalry, bow, elite
3 x Medium sword, impetuous

Command C (+0, unreliable)
4 x Light cavalry, bow, elite

Note that I had to use the Sabir Hun list, as the Western Huns did not fit into the tournament date range.

The plan is for Command A to move aggressively along a table edge, with Command B holding the centre and Command C to not die.

Although the list worked well, I also had a bit of luck. My first opponent had only eight cavalry divided evenly onto both wings, which made it pretty easy for me to turn a flank. My second opponent gambled on a flank march, which never arrived. Again, this made it pretty easy for me to turn a flank.

I played my final game against Harrison and his army list was pretty similar to mine, except that he had heavy cavalry, 1/2 impact, 1/2 bow in place of medium cavalry, bow, elite. Things were going my way until the final two turns of the game, when I noticed that Harrison was only two points from breaking. I then made a series of silly moves which gave Harrison a number of free rallies and some easy kills. Although the better man clearly won, the army list worked well and a very similar list managed to scoop first place. In my mind, this is a moral victory for the Huns!!

If I was to make any changes to the list, I would probably ditch the three medium sword, impetuous for three bowmen.

Jesse
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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 14, 2021 11:37 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Hi Jesse,

Thanks for your reply. I might have buy some more medium cavalry I only have 5 bases. Yes I agree a moral victory to the Huns.
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Longtooth a écrit:
I seem to recall seeing Hubert on the attendance list. Can we not just lock him in the toilet until he gives us an 'unofficial' official ruling?

Did this happen?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Sep 14, 2021 4:17 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
vexillia a écrit:
Did this happen?


This should be sorted out with an errata, which is currently being proof read and validated.
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