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KevinD
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 Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 5:20 am Sujet du message: Unable to place camp |
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| What does a player do if they are unable to place their camp (because there is not a suitable spot of open ground along their baseline)? |
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Dickstick
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 8:33 am Sujet du message: |
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Is this a theory question?
It's yet to happen in reality.
Less so with the "3 more pieces " rule.
Would not loose sleep over this.
Just remind people adjusting terrain to leave space for the baggage.
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lionelrus
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 2:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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Never seen situation, almost impossible.
another question?
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Za Otlichiye
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 2:49 pm Sujet du message: |
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Well, it's possible.
I think the operative rule would be on page 75 third bullet - you get one (total) reroll and then you discard it.
If a terrain piece would fill the edge, then there is a "lack of space for it".
(Looks like bullet 6 is redundant. The terrain rules could use a going through.)
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AlanCutner
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 3:24 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Lots of things are possible in theory. But will never happen. Not going to waste time on this. |
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Dickstick
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 4:00 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Za Otlichiye a écrit: | Well, it's possible.
I think the operative rule would be on page 75: If a terrain element cannot be placed on the table it is simply discarded.
(Note that the first time this happens you would get a reroll.) |
The camp is not a terrain element. 
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Dickstick
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 4:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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With a requirement to maliciously place terrain items 1,2,3 and 5 the best probably I can give you for this perfect storm to happen is one in 360 games.
Far from getting players to reroll a terrain roll, as umpire I would bang heads together and ask the if they really came to play a game or not?
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lionelrus
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 4:43 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Za Otlichiye a écrit: | Well, it's possible.
I think the operative rule would be on page 75 third bullet - you get one (total) reroll and then you discard it.
If a terrain piece would fill the edge, then there is a "lack of space for it".
(Looks like bullet 6 is redundant. The terrain rules could use a going through.) |
If you go fishing, you may catch a old Spitfire from the deep sea. It's possible too.
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Za Otlichiye
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I like the sub-text!  |
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ethan
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 22, 2021 9:27 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Remember the came doesn't have to go on the base edge it has to go in the deployment zone. Filling up the entire deployment zone so there is essentially no 1UD x 2UD area of open terrain seems rather unlikely. Someone else can do the math and figure out if there is some possible combination that gets there, but the reality is that picking that level of terrain - probably require both players to do it - and getting the rolls needed for it to happen (and no confounding prior placements) seems pretty remote. |
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Dim Oct 24, 2021 10:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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| ethan a écrit: | | Remember the came doesn't have to go on the base edge it has to go in the deployment zone. Filling up the entire deployment zone so there is essentially no 1UD x 2UD area of open terrain seems rather unlikely. Someone else can do the math and figure out if there is some possible combination that gets there, but the reality is that picking that level of terrain - probably require both players to do it - and getting the rolls needed for it to happen (and no confounding prior placements) seems pretty remote. |
I thought the camp (unless fortified) has to either go along the player’s base edge or along a river or waterway:
P 76, 1st bullet, “The camp must be placed in the player’s deployment zone, either next to the the player table’s edge or beside a river or or a coastal feature.â€
Only fortified camps can go anywhere in the deployment zone:
P76, 2nd bullet, “If the camp is fortified, it can be deployed anywhere in the player’s deployment zone.â€
Clearly the 1st bullet is more restrictive than the 2nd, or there’s no point to include the 2nd bullet at all. So “next to the player table’s edge†must mean touching the table edge. No? |
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ethan
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| Posté le: Lun Oct 25, 2021 2:02 am Sujet du message: |
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| KevinD a écrit: | | ethan a écrit: | | Remember the came doesn't have to go on the base edge it has to go in the deployment zone. Filling up the entire deployment zone so there is essentially no 1UD x 2UD area of open terrain seems rather unlikely. Someone else can do the math and figure out if there is some possible combination that gets there, but the reality is that picking that level of terrain - probably require both players to do it - and getting the rolls needed for it to happen (and no confounding prior placements) seems pretty remote. |
I thought the camp (unless fortified) has to either go along the player’s base edge or along a river or waterway:
P 76, 1st bullet, “The camp must be placed in the player’s deployment zone, either next to the the player table’s edge or beside a river or or a coastal feature.â€
Only fortified camps can go anywhere in the deployment zone:
P76, 2nd bullet, “If the camp is fortified, it can be deployed anywhere in the player’s deployment zone.â€
Clearly the 1st bullet is more restrictive than the 2nd, or there’s no point to include the 2nd bullet at all. So “next to the player table’s edge†must mean touching the table edge. No? |
Ahh yes I was thinking of fortified camps. |
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Ramses II
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| Posté le: Lun Oct 25, 2021 2:02 am Sujet du message: |
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Yes, an un-fortified camp does have to to touch the base edge.Â
And no, this situation is so unlikely to occur that it is not worth worrying about; both players have to select the maximum number (9) of exactly the right size terrain pieces, and then manage to throw exactly the ‘wrong’ dice for the terrain to be placed along one base line in such a way that there is no access.Â
Let’s move on . . . |
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