Art De La Guerre

[KevinD]

Are units/groups evading or non impetuous charging after evaders permitted to voluntarily move less than their full adjusted move distance? The wording of the rules for how far one can or must move when evading or charging after evades are very similar.

Charges:

P43, 6th point (“If all initial targets evade “), 5th bullet:
“Non-impetuous units should advance if possible at least 1 UD for foot or 2 UD for mounted. They may then stop their charge or continue for up to their maximum adjusted charge distance….”

Evades:

P 48, 5th point (“Evade move”):
“An evading unit moves in a straight line up to its maximum adjusted evade distance.”

Does this mean a non-impetuous charging unit can move any distance the owner chooses that is >= 1 or 2 UD and <= it’s maximum adjusted charge distance and the owner of the evaders (or those exiting ZOCs) can move any distance >0 and <= their maximum adjusted evade distance?

Are evaders and non-impetuous chargers treated differently (other than the charger’s requirement to move at least 1 or 2 UDs)? If so (and evaders must move their full distance but non-impetuous chargers need not) what is the rule that requires evaders to move their maximum distance? (The rules seem to envision evaders must move their maximum distance (For example, otherwise why break off and be forced to exit the table as per P. 37? Or is exiting the table this way voluntary as you can choose to move a shorter distance that does not take you off the table?) but the wording permitting the chargers to pick a distance less than their maximum is the same as the wording for evaders.)

[Ramses II]

This part of the rules is unchanged from V3, so

1. Units that evade must move the entire adjusted distance. 
   
2. Where the target units all evade, Non-impetuous chargers must move the minimum distance but may move further, up to their maximum adjusted distance. 
   
3. Where one unit in a group is charged, the entire group may also choose to evade as well as the ‘target’ unit. 
   
4. Where units in a group have different movement allowances, they must dice separately for their adjusted movement distances.

[KevinD]

[Snowhitsky]

[Za Otlichiye]

May introduces a choice between stopping and continuing up to full distance.
So I think the intent will continue to be misunderstood until it gets clarified in a FAQ or Interpretations.
ZO

[madaxeman]

[Muz22]

So, for HI who charge a unit who evades - point 6 on page 43 would apply (all initial targets evade).
The table indicates that the Adjusted Move Distance is not reduced for HI where a 1 or 2 is thrown (so throwing 1-4 means distance is 2 and 5 or 6 means distance is 3).
This is emphasised by dotpoint 3 which says charging heavy infantry never reduces its charges distance.

Dotpoint 5 says non-impetuous units should advance if possible at least 1 UD for infantry. They may then stop their charge or continue up to their maximum adjusted charge distance.

So although the adjusted move distance is either 2 or 3 for HI, it is still possible for non-impetuous HI to stop their charge after moving 1 UD.

[Mike Bennett]

[Mike Bennett]

[daveallen]

Maybe it does need clarification.

My take on this is that there can be situations where an evading unit (or group) is unable to pass an obstacle because it has already slid 1UD and/or wheeled 90 degrees, but has not yet used its ajusted movement allowance. Also, see the restrictions on LI interpenetraing non light troops

So "up to" was included to stop players' heads exploding.

It's also worth noting that specific minimum movements are specified for chargers.

And that nobody would worry about their evaders running off table if they could choose to evade less than their adjusted movement allowance.

Dave
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[Neep]

With respect Mike, no need to necromance this thread. The rules committee has acknowledged the intent does not match the text. Maybe someone on the Facebook group could look at the French version and decide if it's a translation error or not. Although what is really needed is for someone to add it to a FAQ.

[Mike Bennett]

[Mike Bennett]

[daveallen]

[Hazelbark]