Art De La Guerre

[Ballista]

For the Spanish allies allowed from 235-201BC - it states 'Iberian Allies (Liist 90 Ancient Spanish)

My question is - in list 90 is lists

Iberian and Lusitanian scutarii - medium swordsmen impetuous

Celtiberian scutarii - heavy swordsmen impetuous


Are you able to choose either option ie medium swordsmen or heavy swordsmen ?

ie Iberian mediums or Celtiberian heavies ? (and only have one or the other option as they are from different tribes)

[Longtooth]

I would assume that you are only allowed access to the 'Iberian tribe' units.....so no heavy sword impetuous.

[Ballista]

That's how I initially thought however they used both tribes as mercenaries/allies and the whole peninsula was referred to as Iberia in writings
and Carthaginians would most likely have called mercenary troops from Spain 'Iberians' regardless of where they came from.
Also other references in List #55 refer to "Spanish' troops.

Just after a clarification on the Spanish list options available, if any T/Os would be able to say how they would rule for list 55.


Just trying to clarify which it is.

[Dickstick]

As written.

Allies are not mercenaries.
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[Ballista]

Didn't say allies were mercenaries.

It was that the Carthaginians would have called mercenary troops from Spain 'Iberian' regardless of where they came from on the peninsula,
and would have presumably called allied troops the same.

[madaxeman]

[Dickstick]

In the notes top of list 90 the second sentence reads "The list includes the Iberian, Lusitanian and Celtiberian tribes.
This is an " Ancient Spanish " list with three possible factions.

There was a long debate in v3 for Sertorius to have (or not) Celtilberian allies. Result was NO and v4 rewrote the notes for senetorius.

List 55 limits Ancient Spanish options to lberian
Much like it limits Classical Greek options to Sicilian Greek allies so no Spartans
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Player 747 don't call me Jumbo

[Ballista]

Okay arguement accepted - so troops from the Spanish list referenced as 'Iberian' are the only ones allowed to be used.

So does this mean the only Iberian allies the Carthaginians are allowed are the

Medium Swordsmen impetuous or does 'Iberian' include these along with Spanish horsemen, light cavalry, caetrati and light infantry ?

In period the troop types in the list are referenced as

Celtiberian, Spanish, Iberian, Lusitanian or not at all.

[Longtooth]

You can take everything except the Heavy Sword Impetuous (which are Celtiberian only) and the scythed chariot (which is 0-1).

Jesse