Art De La Guerre

[KevinD]

So, how do Sp react to being charged in flank? Do I read it correctly, that unlike other troops with abilities such as Impact, 2HW, Polearms, etc. Sp still retain some of their anti-mounted ability (specifically that they cancel the Impact of mounted charging them frontally, but not the Impact factor of mounted charging them in the flank)

In specific, suppose a unit of HI Sp is charged in front by Impact HC and in flank by (another) Impact HC (who fully conform). The Sp take a cohesion hit for being charged in the flank. Then the factors are:

HI: -1 for Disorder, because it is hit in flank and looses its basic +1 and its additional +1 for receiving a mounted charge because there is a conformed non-light unit on its flank.

HC: +2, 0 for HC VS HI, no bonus for Impact because it’s charging the front of Sp and +2 for the flanking HC (+1 for HC vs flank of HI and +1 for flank attack, but. No bonus for its Impact as its in melee support.) The unit charging from the front retains its furious charge as you don’t lose this vs Sp (but if the unit in front was not Impact/Impetuous and hence have furious charge then it would not get it from the HC Impact charging the HI Sp in flank).

Is this correct?

Suppose the flanking unit was LC Impact. Then would the factors be:

HI: +2, because it is hit in flank by lights it does not lose its basic +1 for HI VS HC, nor its additional +1 for receiving a mounted charge, no (new) Disorder penalty as lights don’t disorder. Or does it lose its additional +1 for Sp charged in front by mounted because fully conformed lights remove abilities and this counts as an ability?

HC: +1, 0 for HC VS HI, no bonus for Impact because it’s charging the front of Sp and +1 for the flanking LC (+0 for LC vs HI and +1 for flank attack, but. no bonus for its Impact as its in melee support.) The unit charging from the front retains its furious charge as you don’t lose this vs Sp (but if the unit in front was not Impact/Impetuous and hence have furious charge then it would not get it from the LC Impact charging the HI Sp in flank).

[madaxeman]

[daveallen]

Tim, I think we discussed this question early on in v4.

The additional factor for Spear receiving a (non-elephant) mounted charge frontally is part of its basic factor, not a bonus factor.

Bonus factors are listed under Special Abilities (pages 17-20). Also, as you point out, it's not one of those listed as being removed by a flank or rear attack (BP2 page 63).

Dave
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[Hazelbark]

I believe Dave is correct. The +1 for Spear/Pike receiving a mounted charge on the front is a Combat factor addition. Therefore it would be set to zero if the Spear/Pike had an enemy heavy unit on its flank in melee support position etc.